I don't think there's actually a disagreement here, in practical terms, and I don't think anybody is actually fucking retarded. You won't get any argument about people taking precautions to protect their stuff. It's a good idea to be safe, regardless of what you're doing. However, when you say stuff like "shut up about your virtual rape," to some people, it crosses the line (in my opinion) into a callous disregard for a fucked up situation. Of course, you don't know them, and they don't know you, so your pity isn't going to make or break anything. That mindset, however, is prevalent enough that it's worth dissecting and fighting against, because the truth of the matter is, there isn't a password in the world that's going to stop the effects of entitlement. And Kate Upton is one thing -- how was Jennifer Lawrence crafting a lustful image? Or Jill Scott? Or Mackayla Maroney? All those people did was be attractive and good at their jobs.
Good point, and that's why I specifically chose Upton as my example. It's all shades of grey, and all subjective. I genuinely feel for JLaw, but still have a fair bit of "you should have known better" thrown in there. The others, I feel even worse for. I can't help but think that in an online age where everything is sexualized, when you're hot and popular/famous, you have to protect yourself.n Period.
Whoever has the pics HAS the pics. As long as he doesn't do shit for awhile, they can randomly leak out in a month or so.
As nom said, I understood the words being typed just fine. There is no misunderstanding between Nett and I, as far as I can tell. I just think he is wrong, and presumably he feels likewise. A lion tamer puts on extra gear because taming lions is his job, and doing so responsibly is part of his professional responsibilities. It is not part of his professional responsibilities to fight lions in his spare time. Thus if a lion tamer were to be attacked by a lion in his spare time, it would be a really weird reaction to say "Man, why weren't you prepared for that?" Likewise, Upton, Lawrence, etc. are filmed and photographed on a professional basis, and seem to be pretty good at it. They agreed, as professionals, to appear in films and pictures for public dissemination. That doesn't mean that their private films and photos are at all similar.
Maybe I am retarded. You...know this isn't a cloud issue, right? These celebrities were mistaken in the way they stored these pictures, but the greater context in which they were stolen has nothing to do with the technical limitations of the software they used. Sure, they could have not uploaded them to the cloud. Sure, you can encrypt any files you have on your laptop before you get it fixed. Sure, you can ensure that your balcony doesn't have a direct sight line from which a photographer can snap you from 500 yard away. Sure you can get a high-tech security system so that nobody can break into your house. Sure you can ensure that former lovers never get a copy of any picture of you naked. Sure you can not go skinny dipping or tan naked. Sure you can not wear black clothes to any event that will be photographed with flash. But when taken in the aggregate, all of those necessary security measures add up to a level of required caution that Cowbell and I are saying is sad and indicative of systemic issues. If we want to have a society (and a *board*) where women are comfortable showing themselves off, I think it behooves us to show pity when that privilege is abused.
A lion tamer can stop facing their "threat" (lions) when they step out of the cage whenever they want. They control when they are at risk. It's not like JLaw or Upton stop being famous when the filming stops... they are at risk all the time. Welcome to fame.
There seems to be a belief that blame has to be applied 100% to victimizer. A victim is 100% blameless. Maybe if we assigned blame by a percentage and made both victims and victimizers accountable, we'd be spending less time drawing weird parallels between Bobby Flay's quesadillas and Kate Upton's mammaries and actually fixing shit. If a girl goes to a party where she knows one person, gets hammered and then is assaulted, assign the blame 95% to the assaulter, and 5% to her for putting herself in a stupid situation to begin with. Does that reek of sexism? How about this. If a man jumps into a tiger pit and is mauled by a tiger after attempting to take a selfie with it, blame the man 98% for being an idiot and the tiger 5% for the mauling instead of growling really loud to scare said idiot away.
I don't think anyone disagrees with this. Just the idea that, given the same crime and the same level of preparedness, empathy should be inversely correlated with this vulnerability.
I'll make this easy for all of you. I tell my daughter to buckle her seatbelt when we get in the car. No matter how careful I am, other people on the road do things like drive recklessly, run stop signs and red lights, and drive drunk. If she doesn't wear her seatbelt, she could be hurt or killed. Is this behavior by others illegal? Absolutely. Are we perfectly within our rights to drive on our nations roads and byways without expecting some asshole to ram into us? Of course we are. Should we take measures to protect ourselves? Of course we should. To not do so would be foolish. I also have already told my daughter to never take or post picture when she isn't fully clothed or that she would not want me to see, because people steal your pictures. Does she have the right to take pictures of herself. Absolutely. Does she have the right to expect that her privacy will be honored? Of course. Should she take measures to protect herself from folks who would steal her pictures and distribute them? Of course she should. To not do so would be foolish. Period.
The problem is, as I state before, though I think the bolded is wrong and dodging the issue, is that the people that it truly offends are the ones that will shut down debate saying you're perpetuating victim blaming and rape culture and refuse to take preventative measures as even precautions in the face of reality (I really subscribe to Jimmy James thought process on this, taking precautions not the victim blaming).The guy who hacked Scarlet Johansen got 10 years in prison and this leaker(s) will face much more than that. We make a lot of stuff illegal, people still say fuck it. Could we change our culture to put less stock in female sexuality? I guess anything is possible, don't see it happening in reality. Part of my thought on this, is that some of the vestiges of the puritan thinking that still has big sway in various media, the MPAA, FCC, Disney, etc, leads to it being a sort of thrilling taboo. Normalizing sexuality might lower the incidents of this type of stuff in the long run. Though it would make nudity and sex more prevalent which is sounds like modern feminist aren't going to kosher with (sexualization of the female it seems is one of their biggest objections to our culture).
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You give people entirely way too much credit. I work in a special department for a multinational corporation where we manage experimental fiber optic networks. I deal with the general public and the technicians who install their shit roughly 80% of the time. I or my team mates have personally worked with heads who work for HUGE gaming companies/fortune 500 companies, universities, former government workers, famous football players, authors, etc. These people don't care. They just want their shit to work with minimum fuss. As long as there is a human element involved, that will ALWAYS be your weak point. You would be surprised how often I come across a wifi network during troubleshooting using WEP encryption and some dude uploading serious work related documents.
Not to start a shit-storm (or maybe to start one, idk anymore), but all of these additional measures that women have to go through to protect their autonomy are a pretty core part of the argument that male [WORD DELETED] exists.
Does really nobody else think, even a little bit, if a person decides to engage in risky behavior, and then something happens, that they aren't even a little responsible for it? Because that's what the point of my post was. I shouldn't have used the word "blame." I should have used the word "responsible." Edited for Nom: Not to put words in other people's mouths, but I don't think anybody is denying that a woman needs an armed escort to buy a gallon of milk is fucked up. It's the fact that when a man says, "be careful or something might happen to you" it makes you a woman hating asshole.
This is a case by case basis and may or may not apply. I feel a person for example should be able to walk freely down the street without fear of being robbed or assaulted. If I am robbed more than once by the same person because he knows I am unarmed, am I still at fault? This would be subjective. It's also why I carry a Glock 19.
I don't think you are wrong at all. If neckbeards put their mind to something, they will achieve. Its like that group Anonymous, or whatever. These women are human, and that has never been more apparent than in the content of these photos. And what happened to them was wrong, even if it made my dick move a little. My car was stolen right off the driveway in broad daylight a little over a year ago. But I blame myself. Because I was at a buddy's house laying sod and I left everything in the car because I didn't feel like making trips carrying all my shit.(He wasn't home at the time so I couldn't put my stuff inside.) All the doors were open, including the hatchback. Half pallet of grass sitting in the open. Well guess what? Some thuggy piece of shit sat right down in the drivers seat, started my car and drove off. If my keys weren't in there, he would not have stolen it. The theft was wrong, but I was careless. The stupidity still embarrasses me and my car still doesn't run right after he wrecked it. Every single person I tell that story to places a good deal of the blame on me. Its always, "Yea, he shouldn't have stolen it, but JESUS DUDE, why would you leave your keys in it?" How is this any different?
110% Effort, Minus 2 Lots of good points have been made here. But, I would like to point out that math may not be JJ's strongest subject. Also, if sassy, sexy photos of Jennifer Lawrence had to be made public for this sort of healthy debate to happen, then wasn't it really worth it? I'm sure she feels this way, too.
Yeah, but what about all the measures white English women need to take to prevent being raped by Pakistani dudes? Does that mean that not-white privilege exists? Or y'know, we could just accept that these things are a teeeensy bit more complicated than a C- undergraduate term paper.
Whoever said that intersectionality didn't exist? What are you even talking about? I got a C+, thank you very much
Aside from the hackers, I hope Apple gets sued for this breach. Software developers and content/service providers need to start being held accountable for their shitty security measures.