You're not going to like like my answer, but here it is... 1. It's up to that club and it's bylaws. They're all different. I'm not in any specific club, but even if I were I wouldn't be able to talk about that because that is "club business", and it doesn't get discussed outside of the club. You can probably find more info on the Freemasons than you can find on any club...they're that insular. 3. This can be true to some extent, but once again it's up to each individual club to decide how they want to do this. 2. Totally agree with Toddus on this one. The garage is Clay and Gemma's and they generate their personal money from that. Club members(and if you notice, non-club members) are only employees. The club generates it's money from running guns and porn. Not to mention I'm sure they collect dues and are paid(for lack of a better word) "protection" money from support clubs. Also, and I could be wrong on this, but since they are the mother chapter they may collect money from other Sons MC chapters as well. I hate to sound like a broken record, but once again it's all up to the club and how they set up their charter.
Also I think they mentioned getting protection money from local businesses in the episode where they tried to strong arm Sobelle into paying as well.
"I'm not the one murdering women." Everybody in that room had to have heard that. How is this going to resolve itself without the club completely unraveling. There are two distinct factions in the club forming. If it got out that Clay and Tig killed Donna, they'd be done for. Permanent fracture, if not fatal fights happening. This show always has me on the edge of my seat. Everybody in the club is losing it. They're talking club business in front of others. Disrespecting each other in public. Based on what I've read and what Now Slappy has said, this just wouldn't happen. The Aryan group is succeeding in unraveling the club, and none of them even know about Gemma yet. I wonder if she is going to be the tie that binds the group back together. It seems Jax and Clay could only come together at this point with a very powerful shared cause to completely capture their attention. The rape of their wife/mother would most likely pull them back together. It would be pretty ironic too that the one thing that the Aryan group thought would tear them apart might end up being what brings them back together. That's just my thinking.
a little off topic but I saw mention of Hunter S. Thompsons book in a previous post and you guys seem interested in MCs. If any of you are looking into a good read and a definite insight I recommend Sonny Bargers autobiography. It's definitely as interesting as SOA and can tell you a lot about motorcycle clubs.
Every week, I want it to be the episode where SOMETHING gets resolved. And for the past few weeks, its just getting worse and worse and worse. The porn chick killed? The gunfight with the Aryans with Samcro's own guns? The Mayans getting those guns for free? I'm ready for a pick me up real soon. I was hoping that Half-sac would get his top rocker tonight at dinner, the way he stood in front of Clay in the fire fight. It'd even make sense in the story, as it would be a vote in Clay's favor. At the end though, it was quick, but Opie defended Jax and what they were doing. I'm going to try and do this from memory, but the way it looks is CLAY: Tig, Juice, Halfsac, Happy (Who isn't Samcro, but still my favorite character on the show), Unser, Gemma JAX: Opie, Bobby, Chibbs, Piney, Hale, Tara Now what? Niners are gone. Mayans are rapidly expanding, broke the truce, and getting free guns. Samcro has no guns, no where to turn because of the IRA backstabbing. I really can't see this hole getting deeper, but I know Sutter can and will find a way.
They also said something when they had that little sitdown in the clubhouse before Jax walked in. They were trying to figure out the nature of the rift between Jax and Clay and somebody mentioned it started when Donna got killed. Wouldn't the ones that didn't know be able to put 2 + 2 together and figure it out?
I agree that things have seemingly gotten too deep for SAMCRO. Now that the porn owner is gone, that revenue stream theoretically dries up and without the gun cash the club will definitely be scrambling for cash. I think the only way they get out of this is for the IRA to step in. When the IRA kid mentions "Billy O" I figure it has to be for a reason. Plus that story path allows the white supremacists to be dealt with once and for all, the Mayans to climb back down the power ladder and for SAMCRO to be back where they started which is what always happens anyways. Hell I'll even say the younger porn chick takes over running the porn business in the end and she and Opie live happily ever after.
I'm sure everyone also saw the scene's for next week when Jax tells Clay "your'e trying to put the guilt of a dead wife on ME?" I disagree with a previous post that everyone should have been able to figure it out by now. Most of them have no idea what their talking about, (clay and jax) and with emotions running so high they don't have time to sit and think on it. Clearly Clay has so much dirt in his past that the younger members may just assume it was an old skelaton in his closet. However if they sit and think on it, I would have to think at least Bobby would figure it out. I hope that doesn't result in Ron Pearlman getting removed from the show! As awful as it was that Clay and Tig killed Donna I much rather would see Adam Arkin and the nation get beat up on. Also Opie is going to switch his loyalty back to Jax. Bobby and Opie both saw Jax tell the Mayan president the only way his colors are coming off is to kill him. That kind of loyalty to the club is what is going to put Jax on top. Before Slappy posted that most clubs have a new election whenever they feel it's time for a new president. Don't be suprised to see Clay voted out by the end of this season. This show is so good that I watch it with commercials, I can not even wait the 15 min to let the digital recording get ahead of the live show, pathetic. Also someone posted that Happy isn't Samcro. Is that true? I know I saw he had a SOA jacket I just didn't notice where it was from. *****Quick edit, we had post's and questions previously about how Clay earned his income. The garage clearly had his last name on it but I didn't recognize the other name, was that Gemma's last name?****
Happy is SoA, but I think he's from Washington/Oregon/somewhere north. Teller-Morrow garage. Clay Morrow and John Teller (Jax's dad and Gemma's first husband).
Where has Piney been the last two weeks? I am expecting him to come back from wherever he is and air the Donna shit out. He's not going to stand around and watch his kid take up sides with Clay knowing what he knows. I also got the impression from the brief scene in the previews when Gemma's talking to Unser that she's going to blame herself for her best friend getting killed b/c she's the only one who knows going after the women is L.O.A.N.'s MO. (Even if it was actually Tom freakin' Arnold.) I am guessing - and this is wildly speculative - that this is going to be the straw that breaks Gemma's back and her guilt over her perception that she got LuAnne killed will drive her to tell Jax and Clay what happened to her.
You do know the show is based on Hamlet in which pretty much everyone dies at the end. Who knows maybe they will go the bullshit Hollywood way, but I hope and have a feeling they won't and will for the most part stay true to the structure of Hamlet. Prediction: Everyone dies and the Prince of Norway ends up running Charming.
See here, you take this as referring to the Donna killing. FX is clever that way. I think Jax is talking about Otto's wife, the porn queen.
Re: Luanne. Now that she's dead, can Bobby possibly lessen the impact of it by bringing up the fact that she was skimming from the club? Maybe say something like "I meant to bring this up earlier but with everything going on..."? She's dead so she can't bring up the fact they were fucking and the 2-fingered guy Tig brought to do the books will figure it out (I'm assuming he's competent enough to find it).
Agreed. Here's the thing, I just can't understand Tom Arnold's motivation for killing Luanne. Well rephrase, I can understand his motivation I simply cannot see how he could have done a quick cost benefit analysis and decided it was the wise move. He is a businessman who seems reasonably with it, surely he would not be dumb enough to go to war with the SOA on this one in such a brutal manner. He must have known Luann's killing would demand retribution meaning he would be backing himself to have the resources and back up to fight it off. Maybe I am overanalysing it, maybe this was just sloppy writing from FX; however maybe someone else was responsible for Luann’s killing. Hadn't even thought of that, very good point. Hopefully the writers are smart enough to pick up on it. That would be perfectly in line with Bobby's efforts to unite the club and keep things running.
They did make Tom Arnold seem stupid enough to think that this would work. Remember his M.O. is beating up girls, Luanne just became the focal point of his rage. The only thing helping him is that the Son's are not 100% who did it because they have so many enemies currently. I'm not sure it's necassary for Bobby to bring up the skimming, she's dead. They would not have killed her for this infraction, her husband is doing a long stretch for the club and she did loan them 50k to help with the guns. They would have done something but not killed her. I absoluetly think Jax was referring to Donna, while Clay was talking about Luanne. Everyone dying at the end?? I can dig that.
Dude the beating up girls things is just an extension of him translating pimping into porn. I don't know if they differ but on some level I imagine they are very similar games. Even if we run with the pimp analogy any decent pimp is not going to get into a trench war they can't win. They would be more subtle in their actions and fight a guerilla war. It is the law of the jungle, given the way they have built up Tom Arnolds character (I refuse to call him Georgie) I just cannot see him taking on the SOA like that. I think it is cheap writing if Mr Roseanne Barr killed her. It would be so much better for story progression if someone else killed her or at the very least him knowing that someone more powerful has his back against retaliation. (ie: Got protection from the Mayans)
I like the idea that the whole club dies in the end... just hopefully at the end of season 5 or 6. Charlie Hunham is great at dying in the last scene (Re: Green Street Hooligans)
[Dude the beating up girls things is just an extension of him translating pimping into porn. I don't know if they differ but on some level I imagine they are very similar games. )[/quote] Would you say Tom Arnolds Pimp Hand is strong?