Sober Thread: 3 women missing for 10 years found alive.

Well considering prisoners are forced to work (not just in prison essential functions, they actually produce goods that are sold to the public) and are paid in cents for every hour they work you could argue that it is a type of slave labor. Not that I think that it's wrong to force criminals do something productive. Shit, did I just say that a form of slave labor is acceptable? I think I belong in the drunk thread.

 

I am of the opinion that prisoners should work to pay off their own incarceration. Use my tax dollars for education.

 

I visited a federal prison for a day and all of the prisoners were required to have full-time jobs for like 15 cents/hour. If there is some kind of victim fund for the crimes committed, half of their paycheck goes toward that. And, their healthcare is pretty sketchy in some of them. Pretty recently, our prison system in Dallas has been under scrutiny for the higher number of prisoner deaths and whether or not those people received adequate care. Letting someone's foot literally rot off without any kind of medical intervention is wrong, even if he did really horrible things.

From what I observed, the healthcare is the bare minimum of what the public receives (which I agree with). For example, in physical therapy it's all exercise. There are no modalities for pain relief or any type of soft tissue work or manipulations which could be perceived as massage/spa day.

 

As far as the death penalty thing goes, I'm for the death penalty but not cruel or unusual deaths. Innocent people being executed happens to frequently for me to be in favor of that, and I'm completely against using forms of torture for any reason. I find it a little bit disturbing that some people here are so pro-violence, but then again (and correct me if I'm wrong here) the chance that anyone here or one of their loved ones has been a victim to someone who has undergone or ever will anything even close to what this guy allegedly did is pretty much zero, so obsessing over it so much almost seems like a weird fetish. So I guess while you're fantasizing about yourself or a loved one being locked in someones rape cave for a decade I could see how you would then move onto a revenge fantasy. That said, if the allegations are true I'd have no problem with them taking him out back and putting a bullet in his head or heart after the trial.

Personally, I think the way that convicted criminals would best pay back their debt to society is assimilating into the real world after their sentence is over and becoming a productive member of society, which doesn't happen in America considering our ridiculous recidivism rate. I think that partly has to do having such a punishment oriented prison system and little to no focus on reformation. Really, I think it's just important to keep prisoners busy throughout the day. If they sit around all day doing nothing and have zero sense of purpose that's just going to lead to bad shit happening.

 

Many that are in gangs or are career criminals don't know how to do anything else. Teaching them a trade while they're in could really impact their success once they're out.

 

Agreed, but in order for that to happen they have to accept ex-criminals into trade work, which they don't. Virtually every industry that has certified trade are bonded which means if you so much as stole a license plate, you won't get hired.

I think that has to be broken down better. As far as I'm concerned, a paroled rapist can live in a rat-infested shithole and die alone. But some people simply made mistakes the regret or did drugs and people like that deserve a better second shot.

 

Board's been a little slow. Let me throw some chum in the water.

Ariel Castro, 53, of Cleveland would serve life without parole, plus 1,000 years, and be spared the death penalty

 

I mean, I think he was getting the death sentence either way.

 

From the article:

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this. There is no doubt he's guilty and while this might be worse than a death penalty, and cheaper than going through the trial, I really think they should have gone for it. No deals, don't pass go, just die fucker.

Then again its cheaper if he goes into gen pop because he probably won't live long. If they put in solitary to protect him I think its BS.

 

The thing about that is, it becomes a slippery slope with the whole defining what is considered a life. Yea he killed something but now we are getting into the point of viability discussion. And then it devolves into an abortion argument.

 

I disagree, a termination of a pregnancy that is decided on by a woman is a far cry from a woman being starved and beaten so she miscarries.

 

I fully agree that theres a difference between the two. But you can't apply two sets of standards to call one a murder of a human life that would aggravate a crime to give someone the death penalty, and another standard to determine whether or not a woman is or is not within the legislatively(and somewhat medically) determined timeframe to perform a perfectly legal termination. One must determine what an actual "life" is and then move forward with adding on the death penalty, or not.

For example, a woman might say "I should be able to have an abortion when I choose to without the government stepping in and telling what I can and cannot do with my body." This person might not feel that choosing to have an abortion is committing murder because the baby isn't actually born yet. Ok.

That same person might hear the facts of this case and call this guy a murderer who should get the death penalty because he caused the death of a human being by his actions.

I'm merely pointing out the inconsistency between the definitions of what a life is why it might be challenging to get him the death penalty(which, btw, is what I think should happen to him).

Let me also say that I am in no way defending this guys actions. I'm just pointing out what I think will be a point of contention in the legal world.

 

I hope that +1000 years means he's going to be repeatedly reincarnated as a Brazilian soccer ball for the next millennium. Or a bull semen receptacle. Either/Or. God's choice.

 

Avoiding the whole discussion of when a life is a life, which I agree would probably get really contentious in court I think the abduction and subsequent repeated rape of these girls/women (were they adults/age of consent when abducted?) should be enough to warrant a death penalty without additional charges.

 

I can't tell you what the feticide law, assuming there is one, in Ohio says, but the feticide law in Louisiana (A virulently anti-abortion state) makes a clear distinction between killing an unborn child and abortion. From a legal perspective it isn't an issue.

 

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For fuck's sake he's got the chutzpah to blame porn. Blaming skin flicks for an inability to learn English better might be a new one.

 

It is probably a state to state law, I know that in Texas for example if a drunk driver kills a pregnant woman he/she is charged with 2 counts of vehicular homicide, unless the person he kills is JJ Reddicks girl friend in which case he is paid a nice sum of money.