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Shot through the heart, and you're to blame...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dcc001, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. PaleBlueDot

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  2. Stealth

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    I don't think that death via firing squad is all that bad.

    It is quick ,
    Its relatively cheap ,
    Its effective ,
    There would be lots of volunteers to do the firing ,
    One blank would be used amoung all the bullets , that way each of the shooters can have a clear conscience as there is an element of doubt that their shot was not a kill shot.
     
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    Personally, while I believe in revenge and that it is justice (being a firm believer in the phrase "turnabout is fair play"), I think a major reason in favour of the death penalty is this:

    You 100% confirm that that person will not offend again.

    If you've got a habitual offender like Pink mentioned above, I want no chance that he's going to offend again.

    And if you'd rather just lock them up for the term of their natural life, I don't understand why. There's no prospect of release. Rehabilitation is pretty much pointless. They can't partake in normal society. Their life is, effectively, a waste.

    Might as well get on to the next.

    I have a perverse liking for the (perceived) Chinese method. Single bullet, bill the family for the cost of it.
     
  4. jamaicaphooey

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    I am not going to really back what I say up by statistical data, as far as my stance regarding capitol punishment. Just throwing that out if you do not want to read further.

    I am going to back it somewhat by emotion, so just be warned.

    Our government does not have the right of that kind of control over human life, first off. You can argue the cost effectiveness of death penalty versus life in prison until you are blue in the face. Go for it. It's been done. You can argue over whether or not it is a deterrent. Go ahead and back your opinion, because there is an opposing backer. You can argue science and DNA advances, but what is the use for that after everyone is dead? Or, maybe argue the basics of human error, which kind of fall back on the DNA thing as well. Argue anything you want. Go for it.

    My argument is that our government does not have the right to take life from other people. Period.

    My sentiment is that every person that is killed via death row has a family that will also become victimized.

    You may have a father, mother, sibling, or other relative (not including friends for a specific reason) that may just be a bad seed. They may choose something wrong for their life, and may create victims because of that. However, you are tied to these people, for better or for worse. They are your blood, relatives, kin...whatever, but you will be left to clean up their disaster. It sucks that these people already made a disaster for someone else, but what is the justice and gain by creating that for another group of people? There just does not seem to be a plausible excuse for creating more victims rather than imprisoning for life, in any circumstance. It does not make sense to me.

    That is the simplest plea, I believe, that I can make against the death penalty. Our government does not have that right to decide life or death, especially when death implies additional victims.

    Second question: guillotine.
     
  5. The Village Idiot

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    Pretty bold statement. And very wrong. You have phrased this in terms of absolutes, which is usually an indication that you haven't thought this statement through.

    Can the government kill people that invade our country and threaten citizens? I should think so, and I would hope so, as that is one of the main purposes of having a government in the first place. However, I digress.

    This whole issue is similar to gay marriage. It's a bullshit issue meant to detract you from the real issues. Someone said earlier that 37 people were executed last year. Think about that. That has absolutely no impact on crime whatsoever.

    The reason there is capital punishment is so politicians can look tough on crime. There is no other defensible reason you can come up with that would justify it. As someone else posted, the fact that more than one person has been taken off of death row because of exculpatory DNA evidence should give everyone pause about instituting the ultimate sanction. But as I said, this is a bullshit issue meant to detract from other real issues that impact your life everyday.

    I am against capital punishment because I have seen inside the criminal justice system and I do not have confidence in the people that run it, because just like me, they have the capacity to make a mistake.

    As to how I'd like to be executed?

    Death by suffocation. By really big boobs while some chick is riding me. I'd like to go out with a bang.
     
  6. effinshenanigans

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    If he doesn't give a shit, why should we?

    The thing is, there are consequences. Ignorance or lapse of judgement doesn't absolve anyone of them. If you're convicted of a capital crime that a court feels will warrant an execution, saying, "Well, I wasn't thinking about the consequences at the time," will not change anything, nor should it. Some things just can't be undone.

    Also, I'm sure a ton of people would love if the "high as shit" defense worked.
     
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    Just a quick note: It's very easy to tell if you're firing a Blank or not.
     
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    Oh, yes. Confine them to cells while a real man takes out the trash.
     
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    I think it's supposed to protect the identity of the true assassin.

    Similar to why executioners often wear hoods.
     
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    No Im pretty sure they do it so that the shooters can have a clear conscience. Based on everything Ive ever seen/read on the subject. To be honest though it doesn't seem like a very full proof method. Im sure if youve handled guns enough to be considered for a firing squad, you'd know the difference between a blank and a real round. Id just suggest my firing squad multi gun machine. Sort of like the gun Moe(or maybe it was Lenny) presented at the NRA meeting in that one Simpsons, but just with a computer trip wire.
     
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    Personally I think prison staff should do the execution chosen by lots. They are after all, complicit in the execution anyway.
     
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    What in the fuck does this even mean? How in the fuck are they complicit with the execution? Because someone chooses to work for the prison system they should be required to execute people? They are responsible for keeping the prison under control and safe, not murdering people. Do you have a loved one currently incarcerated or something? You seem to have a lot of contempt for the prison system.
     
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    And, by extension of that logic, you'd be complicit in the execution too for being a member of the society that allows execution.

    Let me flip it for you. If the law is clear that if you do X you may/will be executed, then by doing so you imply consent to being executed. If that seems like shitty logic, go back and read your post in the same light.
     
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    Or ... put the executionee (if there is such a word) into a large concrete bunker , along with a bunch of sentry guns (motion activated) and just wait.

    This could then be televised on pay per view and all revenue donated to charity, the victims or the state.
     
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    Some people just need killin'.
     
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    Well yes, if someone works in a prison and deals with death row inmates, in my book they are highly complicit in the execution. I'm not saying that's a moral wrong, however I hold every man accountable for his actions. If I worked in a prison where people were executed, I'd sure as hell want to be sure they were 100% guilty as I wouldn't want it on my conscience, as it should be.
     
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    We as a society have rules we live by. You don't kill, you don't rape, you don't molest kids, etc. Sorry, but you have no right to be protected by those rules when you've wiped your ass with the paper they're written on. Some people are just plain evil, and need to be gotten rid of like a rabid animal.

    That having been said, I do understand the argument against capital punishment. However in as much as DNA evidence can be used to prove innocence, it can also be used to prove guilt. Also, here in our area of NY some dipshit just killed his estranged girlfriend and their 3 month old son. Stabbed them both to death. The news media shows him with a bandaged hand, and should that be from a cut he sustained while doing the killing, his blood will be at the murder scene, in which case, it's time to "ride the lightning".

    Perfect case for execution. This person obviously knows what he is doing is wrong and our legal system is screwed up enough that he is allowed to repeat the offense. I'd rather a person who does this be 6 feet under than allow them the chance to fuck another little kid.
     
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    Alt Focus: I want to go out like Rasputin: beaten, shot, stabbed, doped up, and have them throw my corpse in a river.
     
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    Focus: I'm all for it. It may or may not deter others from committing horrible crimes, but you can bet that mother fucker is done making mistakes.

    Alt Focus: This guy took it like a psycho. Personnally I think I'm more of a bitch when it comes to choosing my own method of death. The anticipation is going to be brutal regardless but give me the quickest, most painless form of execution. I'm thinking lethal injection is the way to go. I wish I would have the courage to face the firing squad though. It just sounds like a manly way to die.....back to my baking, anyone want cupcakes?
     
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    How in the fuck do you draw these conclusions? I take it you lose a lot of arguments with your friends?

    This is like saying everyone working on a train when it derails (and people die) should go to prison. Whether they have anything to do with the derailment or not. They simply guard them, their job is not to determine innocence or guilt.