This has already been said, but I find that it is such a big point that I need to mention it again. HOW THE FUCK, can you walk in on a grown man butt fucking a 10 year old, and just turn around and walk out? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? I can appreciate shock & fear being an element, but c'mon. This isn't walking in on a gang of psychos, where you might be afraid of being killed by intervening....this is an old man abusing a child. If your first thought isn't , "I need to stop this", you have a seriously fucked up world view.
What does it say when a virulent racist and unrepentant cokehead says that your shit is fucked up? Jokes people. Jokes.
The biggest issue I have with this scandal is that the focus is mostly on Paterno and not Sandusky, the man who sexually abused boys from a program he created. 1) Very few realized that scandals are a HUGE part of collegiate sports...ESPECIALLY football, not even including Big Ten schools. The reason this scandal is being so blown up is because Joe Paterno is such a brand-name for Penn State football, he is the face you associate with Penn State football. Has anyone heard of the story about Lizzy Seeberg that went to Saint Mary's College, sister school to Norte Dame? Lizzy reported being sexually assaulted by a Norte dame football player. Nine days later, the university still hadn't yet interviewed him, nothing was being done. Administration KNEW of what happened to Lizzy, no one did anything about it. People were harassing her, trying to connivence her to keep her mouth shut, etc. She killed herself. Here's an article discussing it further and not only mentioning the Norte Dame scandal of Declan Sullivan that died while videotaping practice in unsafe conditions (This kid went to my high school, so I'm a bit against Norte Dame for a few reasons now) and also mentioning a Texas cheerleader that got kicked off her team for refusing to cheer for her rapist: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/11/25/notre-dames-shameful-punt-in-the-probe-of-lizzy-seebergs-sad-d/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/11/25 ... rgs-sad-d/</a> This is only one of many scandals that happens all across the country. To those that want to scrutinize Joe Paterno, then you better get all the information you possibly can about ALL scandals across the country and protest to get those administrators out of their jobs because the same shit happens everywhere. It's the media and the name of "Joe Paterno" that made this case blow up. 2) I do believe that people should speak up. Many people that have all these things to say, haven't been in that situation. I was molested by my dad's best friend, the guy he grew up with, vacationed with, practically family. I didn't speak up for a few years. But I have little sisters and didn't want anything to happen to them. My dad doesn't believe me. A family friend got molested by her sister, her parents didn't believe her. As a victim of sexual abuse, this is one of the biggest things you fear: are people going to believe you? Sandusky is a coach at a big ten football school. These abuses are one of the biggest issues because they go unreported. Because the sad reality is, people don't always believe the victim, especially with big names are the abusers. Anybody remember Michael Jackson and that controversy? You think if he was a nobody that he would get away with that? No. Nobody wants to be that guy to report someone like Sandusky. Here's a timeline of the sexual abuse: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7212054/key-dates-penn-state-sex-abuse-case Reading this, at least I thought, HOW DID THEY LET HIM CONTINUE BEING AROUND CHILDREN AFTER ALL THESE INCIDENCES?! Oh, Sandusky just gets his locker room keys taken away and promises to not shower naked with boys? WTF?! This is the issue. Not why didn't Paterno go forward. 3) Paterno was NOT THE ONE THAT WITNESSED THE SEXUAL ABUSE! There was an entire telephone game of people that heard with the grad student saw. If we are looking at this in a legal point of view, it is the graduate student that should have reported to the police and the janitor that saw him two years previously. They were the eye-witnesses. Paterno was in a catch 22 situation. No matter what he would have done, he was screwed. He did the best thing he could have done which was tell his supervisors. This situation was DEFINITELY NOT handled the best way possible. Graham Spanier is the person in highest charge and should have reported it, so more blame should be put on him since it is HIS UNIVERSITY TO RUN. Sandusky should have been stopped long ago and there was a lot that went wrong in this case. But the fact is, no matter what it would have been a scandal and the sad truth is this isn't the first time scandals like this have happened, nor will it be the last. But the focus of this scandal should be on Sandusky.
God is this the biggest truth ever. Throw in that the victims are often young and don't have the words or the resources to properly convey what happens, and...often than not...it goes on.
I think that's because Sandusky is being dealt with. He was arrested and arraigned on 40 criminal counts. The legal system will deal with him. I am assuming he'll kill himself before he gets a chance to be raped to death in prison. The reason that the focus is elsewhere, is because had the media and the public NOT turned their focus there, those people would still have their jobs. Paterno would be coaching this Saturday, and possibly even next year, if the focus had not turned on him. Remember, this came out back during January to April of this year, and Penn State and Paterno had no comment. Had they not been pressured to respond by the media and a victim's mother, they'd still be doing their thing. Sandusky will get his. I hope the focus continues to be elsewhere until everyone involved is too ashamed to go out in public, charged and convicted when possible, and generally unable to work again.
It's a simple formula for the media. You got a big-named guy involved in a scandal and if there is just a BIT of doubt that he may not have done the absolute best thing possible? They are going to blow it up and out of proportion. Again, not saying that this situation was handled the best way. It certainly wasn't. But I'm a realist, if anyone was in Paterno's shoes, I doubt they would do anything differently. People think it is such a black-and-white answer, but unless you're in a situation like that, I doubt you can make such a sound decision. You would think a father would believe their daughter, but I guess I am the exception, or this is just a sad reality of life. The fact is, we aren't in that power position and have that much to lose especially since he wasn't a witness. It bothers me that all these people have so much to say when, guarantee almost nobody knew about this scandal back in January to April or even before that.
Negative. I assure you, someone calls my cell phone and tells me the coach I employ to coach my climbing team at my gym was seen sodomizing a child, I have NO PROBLEMS whatsoever involving the authorities. The problem I will face is looking those parents in the eye and explaining that it happened on my watch. No. I don't have a problem calling the authorities. None whatsoever.
From this Article <a class="postlink" href="http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/720 ... penn-state</a> He just didn't walk in on a grown man fucking a ten year old boy. He walked in on one of his childhood friend's dad fucking a ten year old boy. With that environment, as tough as they have ingrained Penn State into everyone, with that relationship Paterno, and Sandusky. I am not condoning what McQuery did not do, which was extremely fucked up, he should have gone to the police. But for him to see that shit, with the established relationships he's had with that guy's family for his whole life...he wasn't going to think rationally about it. He was going to be completely fucked in the head about it. He shouldn't be fucking coaching on Saturday. He needs to get his head checked out. I can't even comment on the students. Fucking insanity. Michael Weinreb follows up with this. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7215590/the-culture-unrest-penn-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/721 ... penn-state</a>
I read that article and the timeline read much the same as the 2008 financial crisis, the Madoff scandal, 9/11, you name it. In every case there were signs along the way that something was not right, and people both ignored the signs and dismissed those who raised concerns to (what they thought) the proper authorities. Whenever people have a lot invested into an insitution of some sort, there's enormous pressure to keep it intact and functioning. And sadly speaking this pressure is enough to supress the actions (or potential actions) of an individual or group of individuals who threaten said institution, regardless of the severity of the crimes/danger the institutions are presenting. Just another bad blemish on human nature, it seems.
I just find it absurd that Paterno can be removed and not McCreary, because it's hard to pinpoint any failure by Paterno that does not apply equally or moreso to McCreary.
Of course he couldn't have known this, but it seems likely that even if McQuery did go to the police nothing would have been done: From this article: <a class="postlink" href="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7212054/key-dates-penn-state-sex-abuse-case" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... abuse-case</a> Fucked up indeed.
I couldn't agree with this more. Ultimately, it comes down to money. Sad but true. Penn State's Administrators probably guessed that if the first Sandusky scandal in 1998 came out (while he was an active coach and 'heir apparent') the money would dry up. So it appears they kept patching the damn, hoping that the flood never arrived and the money would keep coming in. As much as it pains me to say this, I'm with ballsack, there's more to come. It's going to get worse.
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-s...ung-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html Reading this made me actually feel sick to my stomach. I don't think I have the words to express how much I want this to turn out to be just an ugly rumor with no truth to it. Ballsack is right, this is looking like it's going to get much, much worse.
The reason this is being so blown up is because it relates to over a decade of sexual abuse of young children. It is amplified because it involves a highly regarded sports figure, yes, but regardless of who the characters are who are involved this is one of the biggest college sports scandals in history. Other scandals happen yes, a Virginia lacrosse player killed his girlfriend a few years ago, college kids get in trouble, but there has been nothing like this in recent memory. My only other thing to add is that I would like to ask some of the rioters how they think the victims who were abused between 2002-2009 feel about their support for Joe Paterno. He was not the one who committed or witnessed the acts but he was one of many in a position to stop it, and he didn't. Oh and on a lighter note, the Onion has a way-too-soon but pretty hilarious article about the media coverage of the scandal: Sports Media Asks Molestation Victims What This Means for Joe Paterno's Legacy
What the fucking fuck is wrong with people?! Fuck. I think I'm pretty average, but I'm also jaded. Not much seems to shock me anymore. But, this? What. the. fuck? I know that depravity is in the TiB motto, but how many people are out there like this? Other crimes, even violent ones, are not ones I see myself getting to, but I can see how the criminals get there. I understand feelings of desperation, or abuses in their life, or demand for power, or whatever gets people to the point of sex crimes. It still disgusts me, but I see how they get there. But, how in the motherfucking fucking hell does it every occur to an adult to fuck a ten year old in the ass and set them up to get fucked by other other adults in the ass?! How does a person like this function for so long in society? Fuck fuck fuck this pisses me off.
One of the things the parents here missed, every time, was that an adult was wanting to spend so much time with their child. ANY adult calls me up asking if my son can stay at his house, or party with his family, just because... No. They've been playing ball with the same coaches since 2007. Both of my boys have a close relationship with their coaches. Never once have their coaches called me up and said "Hey, can MiniMe or Squishy stay the night at my house?" And if they did, I'd ask if they were crazy. One of the coaches has a son who's MiniMe's age, and they're very good friends. MiniMe goes to see Coach's Son, NOT Coach. That's a tell...an adult wanting to spend an inordinate amount of time around my kid? Fuck you buddy. Grow your own and get away from mine.
Yeah but that's the thing, he was plucking them out of the Second Mile Foundation. And odds are if the kids are there, they're parents are probably not the greatest, if even in the kids life, to begin with.
I just finished reading the grand jury report and it is one of the most disgusting things I've ever read. The part about the mother reporting a showering incident to the police and them conducting one of the most dismal half assed investigations I've ever heard of damn near made me punch my computer screen. This is probably the worst story ever to come out in my lifetime regarding college sports. I think Paterno is getting so much heat in the media only because he happens to be the most famous. He reported the second hand information to two people and the people he reported it to spoke with the graduate assistant and still didn't do anything. Of course the fact that he reported it does not in any way absolve Paterno, and it's still disturbing that he didn't just go straight to the police. Still, when reading and considering all the people I'm most pissed off at, Paterno is pretty far down the list.
My wife's uncle was arrested last Christmas after he'd been plying his son's friends with Busch beer and felating them. His story made their local news as he was a former cop that resigned in the 80's for a similar accusation. Because he's an ex-cop, his mugshot is not released and he gets segregation.