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Porn KILLS!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Nom Chompsky, Jul 16, 2011.

  1. rbz90

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    I think the point made, is that if you are looking to do only chicks on camera it isn't happening with some exceptions here and there. You have to fuck dudes, and girls therefore you aren't straight. I could be wrong.

    As far as exploitation goes; How is someone supposed to know when they are hiring a woman whose uncle used to fist her until the ripe old age of 13. It's not exactly written on their foreheads and you can't just ask. Also she does admit to something now what? "I'm sorry but the fact that you have a history of psychological and sexual abuse when you were younger means that we feel you're not able to make a clear consensual decision about fucking on camera."

    Even if it's a cause and effect type thing it still seems to me that taking someones ability to make that choice is kind of fucked.

    As far as forcing girls to do things they're not comfortable with because they might need the money for rent/drugs/gucci. This needs to be looked at more in debth. A girl expects she's shooting a bj scene, she shows up and is informed that she will not be getting paid unless she takes it in the ass first. Well she just might have to do it if she wants to make rent. Yes that is wrong. That however is where the need of contractual agreements come in. I'm sure it is harder to do that with large porn companies like Vivid or Venus or Labia or whatever. Because these women have contracts that defend them from that.

    If you're doing it out of Roscoe's basement then yes you run that risk. That is because he is a shitty employer. Whether you can afford to take your business (vagina) elsewhere is another topic. The same way that when I was 16 and worked at this asian convenicence store I had to argue with my cunt boss on an almost monthly basis about how many hours I worked as she'd make me stay an hour or so extra every time i did work but would conveniently forget to add it to my paycheque. This shit would have been way less likely if I worked for a more established chain such as Kroger or Albertsons or No Frills. Then again I wouldn't have been able to get as high as I wanted through my entire shift.
     
  2. scootah

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    Imagine walking into a room. There's like a dozen people. It's like 100 degrees out and everything is under insanely bright and hot lights. Or it's 30 degrees out but the scene called for you to be wearing a Hawaiian shirt for the start of filming. Most of them are guys you know. Coworkers for the most part, but a few friends. They're eating doughnuts and drinking coffee and shooting the shit. There's a girl you've met a couple of times before washing down Xanax with bottled water, she gets up, says hey, walks into the bathroom. She's douching and giving herself an enema and has been on a clear broth diet for the last two days. There's about a one in four chance that when she comes out, she'll have a piece of sponge in her vagina so that she can work even though she's on her period. You know she looks pretty good when they print the DVD, but at the moment she looks like a mediocre whore with too much makeup and a bored expression.

    One of the guys looks up from his doughnut and says 'Hey, you and this guy will be doing the scene with that girl. We'll need a DP, some A2M from both of you, then we want a dual pop shot while she's sucking both of you off at the end.' You know that this girl has probably fucked upwards of 100 guys without condoms since her last STI check. You know you and the other guy you're working with work a lot and it's probably been six weeks since your last check up. Try not to sweat too much, it refracts light and makes the post production too expensive, and try not to shiver like you're cold, despite the room being barely above freezing point while you're not wearing pants, the shivering blurs the shot and you're supposed to be on vacation in the tropics for the scene. You probably bulk buy STI drugs in Mexico so you can treat the regular infections you get. It actually kind of hurt last time you pissed, which might be chafing or might be another infection starting. You won't be wearing condoms today.

    the girl walks out from the bathroom, toweling off her vagina. The guy with the doughnut who spoke before looks at you and says '90 second warning' and you need to either get hard, have popped a pill in preparation for this moment, or whip out a needle which you'll inject directly into your penis - which incidentally creates a wound site and path for infection if the girl has anything. You heard she did a shoot in Brazil last month where they don't have nearly as strict mandatory testing for the local talent.

    You now have to get an erection, fuck this girl, have your balls touching another guys balls for a fair section of the sex, possibly have the girl rub your dicks together during the final scene, and then cum on command, and not cum before that command. All while the lighting guy, camera guy, director and up to a dozen other people waiting for their shoot or working elsewhere as crew watch. Fluffers don't exist, foreplay doesn't happen. You will change position every 3 to 5 minutes and she'll fake an orgasm at least twice for the scene and be more convincing than your girlfriend's real orgasms, which you're starting to doubt... You can't help but remember the last time your girlfriend got the clap from you and that your dick is kind of uncomfortable at the moment. You know that there's a chance that every infection you pass on to your girlfriend will be the one that prevents her from ever being able to have children. And if you fuck this scene up, you won't make rent this month and probably won't get work in the industry again - which is essentially your only potential avenue of employment that pays enough to meet your cost of living, you have an arts degree and some drama classes and a resume full of porn shoots. Barnes and Noble might hire you, but they'll fire you again if they find out the new guy on register 3 used to work porn, because it puts the customers off. The guy working the camera has worked 3 movies before and did 3 weeks in film school in the 90's. The director is working his first shoot. The writer was a friend of the director who wrote some notes on a napkin on a diner last night. The producer is a 22 year old kid who is also the post production editing technician. You're only as employable as your last scene was watchable.

    If you're a regular viagra user, you might be wondering if those chest pains that have woken you up in the night twice this year already were heart attacks, and if your medical insurance is up to date, since you don't get benefits from your job, and it's been a slow couple of months with the internet piracy and amateur markets killing highly paid studio porn jobs. And wondering if your insurance will cover heart attack treatment after viagra abuse. If you'll even be elligible for a transplant because of your career. But hey, no pressure, you've got 45 seconds left to get an erection before it's all over. Your agent has mentioned that you might get more work if you stacked on some more muscle, and he knows a guy who can get steroids if you're interested, they're not intended for humans - but you might make enough money to pay for the upgraded medical insurance. Are you hard yet?

    Porn is a fucking hard career if you're a successful heterosexual male actor and you don't have to fuck guys to make rent. Lots of male talent isn't that successful. You generally can't work in regular movies if you have a regular porn job. If you have a conservative other job to pay rent, you'll just be fired out of hand if it gets out. If you have a job like a dry wall hanger or landscape gardener to make ends meet, your life will be hell if the guys find out that you do porn. You're a C list celebrity, with less privacy (everyone has seen you naked) and fuck all money. Woo, fantasy career.

    Like everything, porn is a job. If it was easy, you wouldn't pay people to do it. If you're an employee, your employer will try and get maximum value for minimal cost out of you - if you aren't good enough at your job to demand better conditions, or able to walk away without the lost income destroying your life - you have fuck all bargaining power and your health will be on the line from both the working conditions and the stress.

    A lot of any job is how you view it. If you view being a Soldier as serving your country for the best of reasons, it's an honor and a privileged to serve. If you view it as lots of travel, shit conditions, dangerous work, fuck all money and long hours - then it's a fucking awful job. If you can view your job in porn as fucking people and getting paid for it - awesome! World's greatest job. But there are some pretty fucking spectacular downsides. And most soldiers when they take an injury for work, don't risk passing that injury onto their wife or girlfriend afterwards.

    [edit] Tyler Knight's blog isn't really appropriate for me to look up the link from work, but it's awesome. I've worked a little around porn (geek stuff for studios and production companies) and I know a few people who've done screen work - Tyler's insights are a lot more real/legitimate/earned than mine. As a side note, my two fantasy jobs at the moment for current career direction would be google, or doing technology for Kink.com out of the SF Armory production studio. Any job will have downsides, but technology for a big porn studio that does interesting porn? I'd be excited about going to work for at least 6 months.
     
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  4. Nom Chompsky

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    Ill post more when not on my phone, but kink.com is amazing for a lot of reasons. How many sites show real aftercare?
     
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    I've always suspected they do it to avoid a lawsuit. So much of their stuff involves bondage, pain and simulated force (i.e. rape) that I figure they show the stars cuddled up in robes afterward so that they have something to show in court when the girl cries assault.
     
  6. scootah

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    My understanding is that kink.com are actually pretty good about the whole aftercare thing. I know from acquaintances who've worked with them that they do stop scenes mid way if it's too much for the model and the aftercare thing is I've heard, relatively genuine and started off as an actual nice gesture that someone filmed and then they realized that it had some benefits to include that in the final release.

    The aftercare thing is becoming more common with intense/confronting porn and part the reason for filming it is liability limitation, but it's more about audience reassurance (you're not an asshole for rubbing one out to this, she had a great time, maintain your subscription). Most people who get off on violent sexual fantasies have at least a few qualms about their own proclivities. I love consensual rape porn - but I'd be pretty fucking scarred if I found out I'd gotten off on footage of a real rape. I know I reconcile my ethics with my tastes by knowing that everyone involved was a consenting adult. From what I've heard from studio acquaintances - the re-subscription rates for pretty much everyone went up when they added the after care stuff. Fewer people watched the movies, freaked out and never paid again.

    But I have heard accounts from people who worked with other studios where the girl was 'forced' to do the happy aftercare scene or she wouldn't be paid. I've heard stories (unconfirmed, no names, a friend told me, etc) about the aftercare scene being done under threats of actual harm - ala Linda Lovelace in Deep Throat.
     
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    Tyler's website is totally fascinating, and if you want any insight into what it's like to actually be in the porn business, I highly, highly recommend it. <a class="postlink" href="http://Www.tylerknight.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">Www.tylerknight.com</a> . The creative memoirs section is perhaps the most interesting, but his fiction is worth a look too. Be aware, this site is graphic, very, very graphic. I wouldn't recommend reading it over lunch, for example.
     
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    That what I was saying -- I think they go above and beyond to show good aftercare. Even if it's faked for the cameras, the fact that a porn company is concerned with best bondage practices, and showing that is a good sign. I also just hear really good things about them all around. Plus a lot of their sites and models are good, though they can be hit or miss. In the end, you can never really be sure of what's going on behind the scenes (this applies to Hollywood as well), but they seem more committed to transparency than their peers. I have been a little bit worried that all of it was faked, but there have been shoots which are cut short due to injury, or non-enjoyment, or whatever. I don't think I've ever seen that from another studio.

    Also, as a business, they have kind of interesting roots.

    Peter Acworth was a PhD finance student before getting into this biz. Couple of interesting articles:

    http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-07-16/columns/the-man-behind-the-fucking-machine/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/magazine/29kink.t.html
     
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    Jesus christ my eyes are glazing over reading this shit. Can this place seriously get bleeding heart on EVERY topic imaginable? Do you really, I mean really think about aftercare in pornos? Is that what is really on your mind once you've busted a nut?
     
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    kink.com run <a class="postlink" href="http://www.sexandsubmission.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.sexandsubmission.com</a> (guys beating and fucking girls) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.hogtied.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.hogtied.com</a> (girls tied up) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.fuckingmachines.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fuckingmachines.com</a> (girls fucking fuckingmachines) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.tsseduction.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.tsseduction.com</a> (BDSM where guys are fucked by chicks with dicks) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theupperfloor.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theupperfloor.com</a> (BDSM Orgies with tuxedos) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.boundgangbangs.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.boundgangbangs.com</a> (guess what they do), men in pain / <a class="postlink" href="http://www.divinebitches.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.divinebitches.com</a> (women beating and fucking guys), <a class="postlink" href="http://www.ultimatesurrender.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ultimatesurrender.com</a> (think womens UFC with strapons), <a class="postlink" href="http://www.whippedass.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.whippedass.com</a> (lesbians beating and fucking each other), <a class="postlink" href="http://www.publicdisgrace.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.publicdisgrace.com</a> (bound, beaten and fucked in public), <a class="postlink" href="http://www.wiredpussy.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.wiredpussy.com</a> (lesbians torturing each other with electricity), <a class="postlink" href="http://www.thetrainingofo.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thetrainingofo.com</a> (week long 'slave training' courses) and <a class="postlink" href="http://www.everythingbutt.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.everythingbutt.com</a> (from rimming to fisting, guess what body part gets fisted). Theres some need for aftercare in those situations. At least for the players. The audience in many cases will also want some reassurance that the girl they just saw choked until she tapped out and then sodomized by the big strapon of the girl who choked her, or with jumper leads from a car battery to her labia or tied up and fucked by twenty guys, is ok with what just happened. Because you could reasonably watch a lot of that porn and assume that the person on the bottom of those dynamics, might not have been ok with what they just did for your entertainment.

    Kink.com also do some other non associated stuff, like a big chunk of Mark Davis' work is farmed through them one way or the other. They're also associated with real fucking couples - which I don't have a URL for in my email and don't really want to look up from work - but features porn actors and actresses fucking their real boyfriends/girlfriends/husbands/wives and does some surprisingly intense/amazing/intimate scenes. I think they were also involved with the 'It's a Daddy Thing' dvd's which started with a big warning that it was all fairly confronting fantasy material and not for everyone and that abuse victims in particular may find the material uncomfortable - and then there's like five dvd's now of older guys doing really fucked up scenes with actresses pretending to be their step daughters/nieces etc.

    They target a specialist market of consenting adult fetishists. But they have to consider how fucked up their work is and what happens if someone who isn't a perversion connoisseur and part of their educated and enthusiastic targeted market stumbles across their productions.

    While I'd think it would be obvious, clearly I'm a horrible person and don't pay for most of the things I download from the intarwebs, letalone porn I download. I have had review subscriptions for the entire kink.com collection in the past, and I've paid them like $50 over the years - largely as a 'you guys are awesome, I'm sorry I've pirated so much stuff from you' sort of thing. At $300 a year per site after their specials and deals - I think very few people could afford to stay subscribed to all of the kink.com sites.
     
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    Ohhhh Scootah ... you destroyer of dreams.