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Past, Present, Future

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dcc001, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. The Village Idiot

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    If only, boy, if only we had some written record of what the founding fathers were thinking and what they meant.

    Boy, it would really be handy if those founding fathers wrote something contemporaneously with the Constitution. I mean, besides the fact that they went ahead and, you know, wrote down what they meant.

    Oh, wait, they did. If you look at the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution and THE FEDERALIST PAPERS, it covers it.

    And this is precisely why I would want to see the Crucifixion. There is little record of it, except for documents written centuries later, including the Bible.
     
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    While I am in no way insinuating that's it's a historical fact in the sense Caesar's reign is, almost all historians agree Jesus existed and that he was crucified. There is evidence well within a hundred years as well. As for all the miracles and other Christian mythology, of course that's much more disputed.

    Past: I'd probably go with the big bang and the moments beforehand. After reading a Universe from Nothing the idea seems even more intriguing.

    Present: Almost everything on Earth that I would want to witness I either already have, or likely can within the next few years so assuming there is intelligent life outside of our planet I would like to watch their civilization in action.

    Future: I'd love to see the first major battle humans have with an alien species. You know it's going to be badass.
     
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    Are you being fucking serious? My fucking god. Yeah, why would there be any interest in seeing a group of the finest thinkers of their time, inventors, scientists, philosophers and polymaths debate the constitutional underpinnings of the most economically, political and militarily influential country on the planet? Why listen to them in their own words, why watch back and forth arguments under the threat of being tried for treason when reading the federalist papers would be SO much more interesting and engaging.

    Which is funny, because that's the polar opposite of what buddy above you just said.
     
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    VI, I don't share your faith in the clarity of the first two documents in question, and the Federalist Papers is clearly a limited source given that it written by three authors who were generally on the same side of the debates, one of whom was not actually at the Constitutional Convention.

    Moreover, I'd just like to see some really bright dudes debate some important issues.

    As far as the Crucifixion, there is reasonable but not unanimous historical consensus that it occurred, and I don't think the event itself would be a lot of fun to watch. It seems gruesome and unappealing, and I don't have much interest in which Gospel if any correctly transcribed Jesus's last words. Even if I were to find out that it didn't occur the way I thought it did, I'm not sure it would practically change anything, since we can't interfere and no one would believe you.
     
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    Oh, ok. Why believe the people that actually, you know, wrote the fucking documents in question? Excellent point.

    I would too, but if your position is that the debate surrounding the Constitution and the events surrounding the Crucifixion are somehow equally documented, then you're in serious need of some education.

    Really? And that's why there's not ONE single document contemporaneously created that anyone ever has pointed to chronicling this event? My point isn't that the Crucifixion didn't occur, my point is there is a hell of a lot more doubt regarding the events surrounding it than the signing of the Constitution.

    I honestly think some of you just come up with shit to be difficult. This one isn't debatable or even close. Why you would actually take the position that the Crucifixion is actually better understood historically than the singing of the Constitution - given the fact that I've given you three sources of contemporaneous documents describing why it was signed and what they were thinking - means you're deluded.

    Not criticizing your choice of events to witness, I am, however, criticizing your belief that they're equally documented.
     
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    To be fair, what's odd is that you pick the Crucifixion over the events that happen 3 days later. The rising from the tomb and ascension are considered more important theologically than the Crucifixion itself, which is why Easter Sunday celebrates the resurrection, not the death. It's like hearing the setup of the joke and leaving before the punchline.
     
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    Oh for fuck's sake. I change my pick. Either the Constitutional debates and signing, or the resurrection. Your choice. Now fuck off.
     
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    Screw all this crucifixion vs resurrection talk. I want to be present when God spirit-bones Mary. I bet he played Marvin Gaye before Marvin Gaye existed; hell, before R&B existed. Because that's what it's like to get boned by the omnipotent. He's probably a forceful, but tender lover too. Bow-chicka-wow-wow.
     
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    I'd rather see how Mary convinced Joseph that it was God who knocked her up.
     
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    One man compared to millions over the centuries? Piece of (sour cream coffee) cake.