I'll take this moment to interject some purely personal musings. I often wonder about the notion that health care should be 'for profit.' Really, should it? On the one hand, I believe that we have a responsibility to make sure that everyone has their basic needs met. I don't want to see orphans with bloated stomachs dying in the street, nor do I want to see a person who's done everything 'right' their whole life be bankrupted - physically and financially - because they had the misfortune to be in a bad car accident. On the other hand, I recognize that self interest is one of the only real motivators. There was a great quote on The West Wing. Marlee Matlin's character was arguing this point, and she said: "If the government had been in charge of medical research, we'd have the world's most efficient Iron Lung but no Polio vaccination." The key is to somehow combine the two. I'm uneasy with the idea that people only become doctors to strike it rich [I know they don't, unless it's plastic surgery or something. I'm exploiting a stereotype to make a point]. I'm also uneasy with the idea that the entire health care system as it exists now profits only if we are ill, and has no real incentive to keep us well. Again, this is something I think about often in conjunction with the topic of welfare, aid, etc. The people who most desperately need help are often those who would never ask, and somehow find a way to soldier on day after day. Those that are sucking the proverbial teat are those that have never tried to help themselves, and are instead institutionalized to the point where exploiting the system has become their expertise. You can look at any marginalized group in society and note this. For example, Native Americans. They got royally fucked for decades and are now in a state of extreme poverty and chaos. I'm not debating this, nor is this thread addressing a topic like this. I bring it up because it raises this question: now that the situation is completely fucked, how do you fix it? Giving them every kind of tax credit isn't helping. Nor is preferential treatment with hiring practices, free university education, free land, etc. etc. A disproportionate number of Canadian prisoners are Native. The same issue plays out in healthcare. Throwing money at a problem just makes it bureaucratic. It creates a reliance on the system for those within it, making a very difficult cycle to break. If anyone has a workable, implementable solution to this problem speak up. It's going to be the topic of my Master's thesis. What measures are best taken to fix something, once it's fucked up, and provide the desired results?