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Guns and Ammo Thread

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by ILikePie, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. Kubla Kahn

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    This is just another reaction from a sect of the pro gun side to the constant onslaught of thousands of seemingly random and arbitrary gun laws. I like to make the point to my non gun owner friends when the debate comes up the insanely complicated, and again, arbitrary laws we have just in my state of Ohio. My friends don't usually know the caliber restrictions, the pistol restrictions for deer hunting (changed this year to allow pistol caliber rifles), carrying restrictions, etc. This is multiplied by the 50 different states. That the thoughts behind these very specific laws are just random guesses on the politicians part with a large hint of fear thrown in. The now normal amount of burdens placed on the 2nd would be decried as insanity if similar restrictions were on the book for other "fundamental" rights. This guy is taking my point to the extreme through using technology to circumvent already existing laws. The 80% lower market was created in the first place to get around Cali laws. This happens quite a bit, particularly in Cali (see: bullet buttons), because Americans are industrious and don't like to be told what the fuck to do.

    Also, gun registries? Ha. You might hear anti gun-non gun owners spout this in comment sections. The political reality is we couldn't even get a background check law out of comity without language that made it a serious felony to create a registry. Even still gun owners in America take this issue above a lot of others as the quintessential slippery slope argument.
     
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    I didnt realise you could just buy a rifle like that privately with no background check, waiting period or other regulatory shit... so the only difference between a 'ghost gun' as mentioned in the article and a privately sold semi-auto rifle is the serial number? (Which as VanillaGorilla said may not even go anywhere in a trace anyway)

    So the article, and what the guy is doing, is really just a bit of hype?

    $700 for an ar-15 kind of boggles my mind... that shit will run you thousands of dollars here just for the rifle (e.g. http://usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=23250), not to mention the legal clusterfuck you would have to go through just to get the permits/licenses required to own it...
     
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    Yea, you can pretty much go anywhere and get one for about that much. Used ones even cheaper. After the Sandy Hook shooting, things went crazy for a bit, but its pretty much settled back down. Except for 22 ammo. Still can't find that shit anywhere. Here in Texas, I can go into any store, and as long as I'm not a felon, buy almost any gun I want and walk out about 15 minutes later.
     
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    I'm sure some certain states may restrict this, but I believe it would only be illegal if you were selling it or have previous restrictions from owning firearms (or of course if it has a full-auto design). I'd bet some cops would still get up in arms over it regardless.

    Word from the BATFE: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/genera ... ufacturing
     
  6. VanillaGorilla

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    People are legally permitted to make their own firearm and that firearm does not require a serial number. However, the manufacturing of said firearm has to be made by the owner in its entirety. You can't ask or pay a machinist or gun shop to do it for you. That would put both parties in violation of the law.

    80% lowers are not considered firearms because they are not easily modified into guns. Relatively. Additionally, the term 80% lower is an industry term, not a legal term. So, you're not buying an 80% lower. You're buying a piece of milled metal that requires further milling to become a gun.

    All pretty simple stuff, right? Here's the monkeywrench. A gun store owner or gunsmith can wind up in hot water for assembling an AR from a collection of parts because putting those parts together can/could make him a manufacturer, even if the receiver is 100% and serialized. Manufacturing requires different licensing and record keeping.
     
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    You can crank out a firearm or 5 for yourself but I would not want to be the first test case for the ATF when they find a guy who is cranking out 50-60 ar15 lowers with his own little machine. I am not sure what the number is but in the ATFs eyes there is a big difference between making a gun for yourself and manufacturing gun parts with no serial number.
     
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    It isn't a test case and the law is pretty clear- as long as he is making receivers for himself alone and not giving them away, gifting them to family members, or selling them, he is on the right side of the law. I expect this law to change in the future, but no, you are not afoul of the law if you mill one receiver for yourself or one hundred. He cannot make receivers for someone else out of their parts, either. IE- he can't make a receiver for his neighbor out of neighbor-provided billet or whatever.
     
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    If you are comfortable with it go ahead but there is no way I would have any association with someone who mills lowers 1 or 100 you may think the law is clear but I see major grey area and many red flags. If law enforcement encountered someone with 100 milled lowers with no serial numbers they would immediately seize all of that persons possessions using asset seizure and forfeiture laws, then the burden of proof would be on you to prove all those lowers were for only personal use and nothing criminal which you would have 0% chance of doing unless you had Fuck you money in which case why are you trying to make shitty lowers in your garage when you can just buy the good ones.
     
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    Like i said before, if you are confident enough in your understanding of federal firearms laws coupled with the overlays your state has mandated knock yourself out and make yourself as many guns as you want. My concerns stem from CCW renewal hours that are taught by attorneys and law enforcement and I want nothing to do with anyone who makes any kind of gun parts. I have to much to lose.
     
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    My name is on an FFL dealer's license. I take CE classes twice yearly. I too own a CCW license.
     
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    Anyone on here a Glock guy? My buddy is selling me his older gen 2 model 19. Its got some obvious wear on it and he said that every now and then, he has an FTE. He's willing to sell me the gun for $150. When I field stripped it, the recoil spring didn't look right. It looked like the plastic guide rod but the spring wasn't held on by anything.

    A normal one looks like this:
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    His didn't seem to have a cap on it to keep the spring held down and the spring just came right off the rod. Do you think that could be something that might cause a FTE?
     
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    You can purchase a new spring assembly for $7.50 so that would be a good place to start.
    http://www.glockmeister.com/Recoil-Spring-Assemblies/products/97/

    If that is not the problem it may be a cleaning issue get a wire brush and some good solvent and get that barrel clean.

    Glock 19 is a $450- $500 gun so even if you dump $100 into it you are still ahead, those guys sell almost every part you can imagine.

    Don't shoot anything that does not have a metal jacket on it, that barrel will collect lead and bad things happen.
     
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    I have only done 2 of them, one was very easy and one of them the pin that holds it was stuck so I had to hit with a hammer and punch but it is not difficult to do, it drops in and you just push the pin back through.

    Here is a video of how to do it that is pretty good, it should not take you longer than 2 minutes to do it.

     
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    So I picked up the gun last night and it looks great. I did some checking into it though and it seems as though this gun was produced in June of 1989. During this time, there was a "recall" but Glock calls it an upgrade. I'm not sure if the gun ever went though the correction process, so I called Glock this morning and they said that I could just send them the gun, and they will go through it and replace any parts of the gun that might need updating completely free of charge. So I think I will just send it in to them and see what I get back.

    Pretty sweet customer/warranty service if you ask me. Considering they don't know anything about who owned the gun or whatever.
     
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