I don't know about the books but I thought it was kind of a unspoken being held prisoner thing without having to throw her in a dungeon. They can use her, like they did with the letter, against her will.
The recent debates today in here have cheered me up, and by that I mean made me laugh my balls off. Kudos, kids. Oh, the shit you guys get into heated discussions about. More alluring than an unscrambled porn channel.
Yeah, it's more a "stay the course for now" type arrangement than it is any serious intention on the two marrying unless it becomes advantageous again.
The politics of the class system in the book are pretty heavily based on real historical events. That sort of 'nobles are still better than you, except for these two traitors who betrayed you by not being good enough to be nobles, but you can just transfer your trust and pride to the 12 year old sibling of the noble family, who was so very good that despite her father and brother being worse than dogs, she's going to be the queen. Put down your spears and get back to farming.' is basically how real politics worked in feudal Europe.
Spoiler On the same note, I thought the show did a great job in just a few minutes/scenes of illustrating the nature of House Greyjoy's regard for Theon contrasted with Theon's own perception of himself. It did a great job of setting up Theon's motives for where his story is going to eventually take him. Without spoiling anything, I think the television audience may have more sympathy for TV Theon than readers probably had for book Theon when his story takes its eventual turn. Alfie Allen does a really great job of playing a character that is basically a likable guy who is also desperately insecure and susceptible to poor decisions in the pursuit of grandeur. He's traveling the same path as Fredo Corleone and Shane Vendrell, with predictable results.
Spoiler Not to spoil anything, but HERE IS A GIANT FUCKING SPOILER FOR THIS CHARACTER WE ARE JUST STARTING TO GET TO KNOW.... You fucking fanboys are unbelievable. Keep it in the spoiler thread for Christ's sake.
Anyone else having problems not shouting out "TYRION LANNISTER!" to midgets you see in the street? I have two in my neighborhood that look kind of like Mr. Dinklage and they have to get it all the time. No? Just me? Moving along.
You know in the first book he's described as looking more like Weeman with a more odd shaped head, different color eyes, and if I remember correctly doesn't have the Lannister golden locks.
Probably the first time I laughed at anything SNL did in at least 50 years: <a class="postlink" href="http://gawker.com/5902076/snl-explains-the-nudity-in-game-of-thrones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://gawker.com/5902076/snl-explains- ... of-thrones</a>
I almost feel sorry for Theon. Almost. The scene with Tyrion giving the two silver stags (particularly the second) had me near tears. This has been said before, but Peter Dinklage really does own his scenes.
Is it just me or is this show getting difficult to follow? I mean the scenes are way too short and frankly there are too many characters with too much going on to have a coherent show. After the last episode I feel like the show is kind of heading towards a cliff in terms of watchability. I find myself not watching it as a show, but as a series of scenes that I match up to chapters in the books. I'm really only able to make sense of it because I've read the books; but to someone who hasn't I don't see how they'd be able to keep track of everything that's going on.
I agree about this last episode, definitely. As I reflect on the first season I realize how much I liked Ned Stark and King Robert. Their storyline was at least cohesive, and there was an interesting sub threads with the Horse People and Wall guards. This episode seemed all over the place, the scene cutting reminded me of Lost but without the overall sense of intrigue.
On that note: Did anyone else notice that they didn't list the full cast in the credits? The actors that play Danaerys, Jaime, Robb, Ser Jorah, Stannis, Melisandre, Ser Davos, etc... were left out of the opening credits of this episode, presumably because they weren't featured at all. Did they do that in earlier episodes and I just not notice?
While not finding it too distracting yet I did notice this weeks episode did feature a lot shorter vignettes per story. Now we have Renly's wife and a man women night that works for him. I do very much enjoy Tyrion consolidating his power and giving the little finger to his bitch of a sister. Rock on imp.
I agree. Though i think the second coin was actually gold. Tyrion is a classy guy. My favorite moment for him was the "Then make do!" hand wave he does when Shagga tells him there are no goats.
As someone who hasn't read the books, I'll confirm your suspicions: it is incredibly hard to watch this season. That's not to say it isn't fantastic, but there is so much going on and I have a hard time keeping characters straight at this point, let alone their storylines. Also, from episode two: did anyone catch the quick flash of blue eyes when John saw the baby get taken out into the woods? Whatever it was that picked him up or whatever looked over, and for maybe 1/4 of a second you can see that it has glowing blue eyes.
Yes, it was definitely there. I would recommend asking questions if things get too confusing. It won't make the show better for everyone, but maybe it'll help you because it really is a great story if you can parse it.
I'm going to chime in and say that yes, this season is a lot harder to follow than last season. I haven't read the books. The way they have these (at first, seemingly) minor characters leading their own scenes suddenly is confusing. Theon's scenes are the worst. I understood that he was going to get ships from his family. Then he's fingerbanging a random chick on a horse? Obviously that scene made more sense later, that it was his sister fucking with him, but there are a lot of things that aren't connected (as far as I can tell) to other scenes that get thrown at you. I might need to re-watch the show from the beginning to really get a good handle on things.
Book reader here. The thing with GoT is that there are no minor characters like the way they are in other shows. Think about this "practically", there is an entire country at war, there are more than 7-8 people involved in it. There aren't ever just two sides, there are always multiple factions and those factions have people who act. The universe is just going to keep expanding so I recommend watching each episode twice and actively thinking in your head what happened in the last scene and catching up to the next one. Episode 3 moved a little fast but they're nailing everything perfectly, even the small deviations from the book. Theon didn't give that speech in the book, but holy fuck did it make a lot of sense for that character. How they shot Tyrion's scene was perfect telling Pyrcelle, Littlefinger and Varys the 3 stories was golden.