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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Juice

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    The tone will have to be set by her to avoid that. The last thing she would want is her supporters trying to shame independents into voting for her. I am not a fan of Kamala Harris, but to her credit, she doesn’t play the race card all that much.

    I don’t know if it’s even worth pondering who the GOP candidates might be for 2024. It’s going to be Trump.
     
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    It may as well be. Any possible alternative has proven themselves to be batshit crazy up to now.
     
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    Because there isn't any, and there never was. The man is a lifelong stutterer; what bad faith actors call "dementia" and "senility" is just what anyone with the condition does when they find themselves stuck: switch out the intended word for one that flows easier, essentially "bumping the record player" to free up the needle. But they saw their line of attack and they went for it: remember Christie advising Trump to bulldog Biden in the debates, throw him off balance and trigger his stutter? Low down & dirty, but that's politics now. The real shame is how many people took the bait and ran with it.
     
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    Oh please. It’s not “bad faith” to question the mental and physical capacity of someone in a leadership role that is pushing 80. Age and health is one of the primary reasons people are pushing Stephen Breyer to retire. He’s 82, so why should Biden be immune to the same concerns when he’s a few months away from 79?

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    Perfectly healthy. And it wasn’t just the GOP questioning his mental health:

     
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    I don't think it's a case of dementia, like others have said, the man has a speech impediment. However, Joe Biden now isn't nearly the Joe Biden he was 10-15 years ago ( it happens to all of us ). If he was, he'd have wiped the floor with Trump in the debates, stutter and all.
     
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    I'd say it's less about the man's health and more to do with a Democrat picking his replacement.
     
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    You people claiming it's all just a stutter are more delusional than the election fraud Trumpsters. Seriously.
     
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    Why would they need to worry about it in the first place if it’s not about his age and health? Why not ask Sotomayor and Kagan to also retire?
     
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    80 year old man trips going up a flight of stairs, holy shit send him to the nursing home!

    Presidents are temporary, Supreme Court Justices are not. So it's not nearly the same when Breyer is going full Boomer and refusing to step down, putting us all at risk of yet another Judge Amy shoehorned into a lifetime seat.
     
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    But why is it even a consideration first place? Why not demand the other two liberals to retire as well? We all know why.
     
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    Ehh, I don't know, Juice.

    I have two theories:

    1) Biden isn't going to stay for the full term. I think he's going to step down in the future. Exactly when will depend on the 2022 results.

    2) I do not think Trump will run in 2024.
    I think the Republicans have made a deal to keep him out of prison as long as he keeps his head down.
    He'll vehemently endorse whoever they pick for '24 so that they get the support of the Q-nuts.
     
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    Because he's closer to the grave than the other two, sure. But it's not out of concern for him having a wonderful and happy retirement in his golden years. It's making sure they get to seat his replacement, not the GOP
     
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    Because Kagan is 61 and Sotomayor is 67? Neither of them are in any danger of dropping dead, so I don't see the need.
     
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    @dixiebandit69 I hear you, but I would honestly be pretty shocked if Biden stepped down. His entire career was leading up to this and unless he has some *critical* health issues that are not disclosed to the public, he’s not going anywhere.
     
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    But Biden is almost 79, so when does age and the health associated with that age become a legitimate concern? Is 82 the magic number?

    Alternatively, we could just admit to the glaring contradiction and move on.
     
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    When the octogenarian in question refuses to retire and leaves his lifetime replacement up to the partisan whims of a hostile Senate. Is that the case with Biden or no?
     
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    Yeah, I didn’t think so.
     
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    apparently stuttering causes dementia
     
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    I don't think you're wrong, though I do think it's unlikely that Biden would step down (he's been doing a pretty good job of just not screwing up and smoothing things over while letting the experts in their fields handle things).

    My prediction for 2024 is that people get tired of the back and forth and things swing back to center, so we get either a kasich, or butteigeig
     
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    I think politicians in general are too old. Pelosi is pushing 80 as well, no?

    Biden isnt as sharp as he was during the 2008 run, but on the whole, he has sharp folks around him and he can portray enough competency to right the ship after the previous administration. Both parties have a major issue with who's up next, but the Democrats are far worse off. The GOP has no shortage of semi-capable candidates, but Trump is still the monster they can't reason with.

    If a few of the candidates Trump backs fail in the primaries, his stranglehold on the party will be perceived to be over, and it will be "safe" for the mainstream GOP to move on. If not, it will be Trump again in 2024...

    Kamala won't be it again. Biden may shoot for a 2nd term, if for no other reason than there is no one else, and if Trump is the GOP nominee, it's a race they have already won, with Biden growing a huge advantage over Trump since the loss. They could throw Kamala under the bus if there's someone better there, but not likely. If it's Nikki Haley, Rubio or someone else on the GOP side, it could get interesting.

    Biden getting us through Rona, putting a few major pieces of legislation through, and doing some signature deals would put him on autopilot for a while. He can stump for 2023 races in his sleep, and see where the chips fall. He can then figure out a 2024 run.

    Is he at the top of his game? No. Is he a more capable performer than trump? Indubitably. Will he decline in this office if he has it for 8 years? Unfortunately, yeah. No idea how that's avoidable.