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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

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    We just had a Football coach make a good choice maybe he is trying to rebalance the scales.
     
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    That's not even the stupidest thing Tuberville has said. He claimed that his father liberated Paris from "socialism and communism." Nobody tell him about Yalta.
     
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    I'm starting to think we need to require that someone is able to pass a civics test before they can run for federal office.
     
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    One interesting and curious point about this is the possible "infiltration" of bad actors within the National Security Leviathan.

    Again, the root causes of this issue:
    -misinformation
    -radicalization
    -lack of accountability for the President & a few bad actors

    The one that most pertains to the National Security apparatus is radicalization, and HOLY SHIT are these guys in for a bad time. Look at how a few events triggered a massive backlash against all things Islamic: a handful of morons just became the new face of terrorism, and for the first time ever, they are white men. The first challenge the Biden administration will have is equity before the law, and making sure these fucks are given the same treatment as everyone else. It won't be pretty, nor should it be.

    The misinformation element is something that will largely be left for the private sector to deal with, with some government funding to support it and CISA serving as a "lead" coordinating agency. Our government can't really keep pace with the speed of change in the IT world, and I shudder at the thought of them producing new regulations. However, it wouldn't surprise me if some media laws were brought to bear on some of these companies. The ability to spin bullshit into gold right now needs to get addressed.

    The political question at the heart of the GOP's survival is how they move forward, in full recognition they let Trump loose to commit crimes all the way up to fomenting fucking treason. The current GOP base is furious, and they risk disenfranchisement (ie, staying home and simply not voting again). A healthy portion of them have to be de-radicalized, and that's not exactly something people like Tubberville or Cheney are equipped to do. A few of them can capitalize on GOP gains with minorities, such as Marco Rubio, and theoretically plot a course forward for the whole party.

    They have long accepted the role of being the de facto party of white supremacists and all of the filth that entails. I don't think they embrace it or relish it, but it's been there. If you're a racist and you vote, chances are you vote Republican. That's been the challenge to broadening their base: the label of racism and white supremacy might not be accurate, but it's not entirely misleading either. How they handle that element, and the fringe, anarchist lunatics that come along with it, will be crucial to the survival of the current GOP. The party itself will move on, but it will claim some sacrificial lambs if things continue this way.

    The messaging for the events of the 6th is critical, and I don't think it's really clear yet. It won't be until the trials begin, at which point, it's too late. The charges filed will be the most damning tones, and this will happen under an administration that will be anxious to demonstrate giving the DOJ a free, unbiased posture, accountability, and a "law and order" stamp.

    A few weeks/months from now, we're going to see white people standing trial for domestic terrorism as political actors. The base's response to this should be shock and distancing, if their leadership gets the messaging right. There should be an anti-Trump backlash, led by a realization that Trump lied to them, and it will open the door to broadening their base. I think Cheney sees that, and so does McConnell. The difficulty is going to be getting anyone in the Trump administration (even Trump himself) to cop to some of that shit, and threading the needle of keeping the base's trust in the current iteration, while letting them know they were lied to by the previous one.

    Right now, the de-radicalization is the monster the GOP is trying to defeat, and I don't know that they even want to do it (as evidenced by the representatives voting against their own fucking election), much less have the ability.

    In short, they strayed too far into fantasy crusades against God knows what, and have lost control of the lies. That came home to roost on the 6th, and the consequences of that will reverberate for the next few months, defining how the GOP positions itself for the midterms.
     
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    You literally write some of the dumbest shit possible, it has to be on purpose. In that feeble mind of yours, do you not recognize that diversity is more than race? It extends to thoughts/beliefs? In that twitter-soaked, can only pump 140 characters at a time mind, do you understand that between totally lawful and sedition, there is a spectrum of crimes? You recognize that fact checking is complete nonsense too? Nobody cares, nobody pays any attention whatsoever; why even include that? To try to insinuate that the fact that this guy is black and that is why I pointed it out is nonsense but unsurprising from people like you, this is the extent of your very limited ability to debate.
     
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    That’s enough with the personal attacks.
     
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    Everyone, please be civil and stop the personal attacks.
     
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    Perhaps you're right historically, but the common thread there is the majority of that occurred pre-9/11 and certainly pre-NSA and outside the social media era. It's an entirely new ball game for these guys.

    Using the KKK as an example, that group boasted anonymity of it's members in politics and law enforcement...the current movement has no hope for anonymity. It's going to be a challenge to enforce this shit equitably, and we don't have a great precedent for that happening.

    The issue at hand is the members of the law enforcement and national security apparatus that subscribe to the same notions as the people committing treason, and their ability to execute their oath and do their jobs, versus the court of public opinion that will out them for being on the wrong side of history. So, even if the FBI don't label them terrorists and prosecute them as such, they will be labelled as such by the internet, and the consequences of that are hard to predict.

    Just got the latest threat assessment for the Inauguration, and....God damn it.

    One of them has applied for a permit and is expecting 300 people, not on the Capitol grounds.

    The (I wish I was making this up) Million Martyr March is scheduled for Jan 19-20 is actively encouraging participants to come to Washington DC armed.

    "On January 16th, 2021 the Patriot Action for America (PAFA), organized by the Militia Alliance seeks to engage in violent conflict in order to instate its own government."

    So, if there's any doubt on whether or not to call this sedition/treason/insurrection.....literally, it fucking is, according to the FBI, Secret Service and FEMA.
     
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    didn’t he donate a bunch to the clintons too? I thought it was an open secret in Nashville that he was a democrat singing songs like that for the money?
     
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    He’s just the fakest of fakes. Go back to his mid 90’s music when he was making pop [DCC EDIT] when everyone was trying to duplicate Garth Brooks. Then he adopts this “badass” persona a la fellow dipshit Mark Whalberg (sure I’m tough, just watch my movies!) and makes the most embarrassing song (for a country) ever made.
     
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    Remember many months ago, before COVID, when I warned about using certain slurs on this board? Still applies. Don't do it again.
     
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    calling toby keith a country artist is a slur I believe
     
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    I assumed Garth Brooks was the slur? That name is a foul word in my house.
     
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    If what you're saying is true, then how have these groups proliferated in the past few years? You can't have it both ways: LEO can't be good at quashing these groups, while simultaneously getting caught with their pants down. They either knew about them and did nothing, or didn't know about them/couldn't quash them.

    Also, I'm sure lone actors will slip through the cracks, but the events of the 6th were not lone actors.

    What's your evidence that the feds were monitoring these folks? What "feds"? Monitoring them for what?

    "That's why they're so desperate to find evidence of planning and a plot and they want to paint a picture of Trump instigating the whole thing. Because the alternative explanation is that those people were so pissed off that it only took a little push for them to boil over, and that's scary because there are a lot of groups of people in this country who are just as angry for various reasons."

    You lost me here. There was planning, and there was a plot. Trump did instigate this. It sounds like you think they are hunting evidence that doesn't exist, when it clearly does.

    You're right: we're all angry. I'm angry that losers are allowed to lie about election results, falsely claiming the election was stolen without a shred of evidence (and before 2016 even begins to enter this discussion: the Intelligence Communtiy and the FBI presented evidence that our election was influenced by foreign governments...was it stolen? Maybe. Was there evidence? YES. There's a difference.). I'm angry that people attempted and are continuing to attempt to overthrow my government. I'm angry that these people are being defended as if they were anything more than terrorist pieces of shit, for no reason beyond than they were born of a similar ideology as conservatives. I'm angry that no one has held those in power accountable for 4 fucking years, and it ends with us in unprecedented levels of debt, a raging pandemic claiming 4000 lives a day, and half the fucking country believing objective falsehoods, because no one can persuade a loser to admit the reality of losing.

    I'm also patriotic enough to realize that violence against my countrymen is beyond the pale, and I can express my anger in better ways.

    Your alternative explanation makes it sound like the events of the 6th were an acceptable response to anger, and it simply isn't. Get as mad as you want to get, but treason isn't an acceptable response to "my representatives aren't doing their fucking jobs."
     
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    I mean they did try to make an ISIS-style home video with the Governor of Michigan. I feel like that should have been a red flag.

    Some members of Congress ordered their staff to stay home on the 6th, so not everyone assumed that nothing bad could possibly happen.
     
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    I feel like January 6, 2021, once it is studied and facts come to light with the benefit of hindsight, will be like 9/11. It will have been blatantly obvious to all the experts what was happening, and the underlings responsible for discovering and tracking this kind of thing were probably sending emails, phone calls and begging the higher-ups to take this seriously. Either the people in change ignored it, because they're arrogant (like with 9/11, thought "it couldn't happen here,"), or they were instructed to ignore it.

    This group wasn't just "shitposting on the internet."
     
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    And this dude was there.
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