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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. ODEN

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    So, aside from this one accusation and all of the unwanted hugs, kissing and touching as shown in every press conference where there are women and children within a quarter mile of Biden; Biden's conduct isn't an issue. What happened to believe all women? There are many that need to wipe all the hypocrisy splatter off their faces here if this is the Democratic position, as stated by the rag of record. No worries though, this is just whataboutism, isn't it?
     
  2. Revengeofthenerds

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    I generally try to stay as far away from these things as possible, because there's so much nuance and sensitivity to all of it that the reality won't sell clicks and page views and just serves to make people further pissed off at each other.

    In this case, though, I feel I can kinda relate a bit. There's been times I don't want someone to hug me because they smell like smoke, or BO, or maybe they're just a bit weird and I don't like them. My mother is very affectionate and likes to greet people with kisses and hugs. I don't like to even get massages because I don't like people touching me. My grandmother had notoriously horrible breath and she was also very affectionate; we all put up with her goodbye kisses and laughed about it later because she was old and sweet and it was just a quirk we could laugh about. But as a statement of fact if I was asked about it? No, I didn't enjoy being hugged or kissed by them. It was not enjoyable. But by no means would it define my views on them in any way, as it was just one part of an interaction among thousands I'd had each day.

    An even easier example, there's sometimes my wife gets pissed off or just in a bad mood and she doesn't enjoy being hugged or kissed by me and I have no clue because as a dude I am unaware of her micro mood changes. Does that mean my hugs and kisses are domestic abuse? If you look at their intent, of course not. But if we got divorced and she said on the stand "he'd kiss me and it made me uncomfortable and I didn't like it or want it," then there'd be a lot of billable hours trying to explain that away.

    Just my .02 cents. If it was more than what I explained above, absolutely shame on him. But I think there is room for nuance that gets lost in this outrage culture.
     
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    You have to be fucking kidding me? That is the most asinine attempt at false equivalence I have ever read.

    You are talking about loved ones. I am talking about interactions with stangers he has NEVER met. In many instances, minors. You understand the concept of levels, don't you? Or do you think they were repelled by his bad breath or smelling like smoke?

    You should be ashamed.
     
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    Gotta hate that bad smoker breath.
     
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    Just trying to offer up another way of looking at it. Same thing with Trump. I think he's worse, a lot worse, but I think there's also room for nuance in the discussion about him with women that gets overlooked for the sake of outrage. Just because you disagree with someone politically doesn't mean you have to dislike them personally. The reverse is also true. I agree with a lot of Trump's policies, but don't think he's a good person or leader. It is what it is.

    Like I said, my .02.
     
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    Yeah, there's room for nuance, but that's been absent with these same critics many times before. Kavanaugh didn't have a long history of being awkward around women, and his accusations just looked like bullshit. Biden's is pretty up in the air at the moment. It doesn't change my mind about anything until there's proof, but as usual the standards are as malleable as the needs of the moment. Stakes are too high against Trump. Franken? He hardly did anything wrong, but we'll just replace him with another democrat anyway, so let's do this hard and fast without even stopping to think about it.
     
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    It's the Mick Jagger syndrome. He's been so famous for so long, it's difficult to relate and have normal reactions. Joe has been in powerful, public office for so long, he's out of touch with what normal seems is. (Not a specific attack on him - there are many politicians in both parties and actors and entertainers that are like this.) So, he doesn't realize they are uncomfortable, because he probably just thinks it's them being starstruck.
     
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    Sanders just endorsed Biden.
     
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    "Gotta get Trump out of there."
     
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    Took a lot less time than with chill-hill.

    I suspect his supporters will be mad he didn't spend more time negotiating concessions before giving his endorsement. Facts are though we have a global pandemic going on, which makes a drawn out, already decided campaign pointless and dangerous, and he had way less leverage this time.

    He might as well have opened his throat and let Biden in so deep he gagged on his balls. Oh wait, he already did that the entire campaign. I'm amazed establishment dem voters are so mad at him.
     
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    Meanwhile California, Oregon, and Washington have created a pact to act as one for the purposes of COVID-19 related decisions. This means that the entire West Coast of the United States, which contains every port of entry for goods coming from Asia, is under the control of this pact and there's nothing the Feds can do about it. Welcome to "blue states are sick of Republican rule."
     
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    That only work so well, our port is a full week quicker to get the container to Chicago.
     
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    Port of Vancouver couldn't handle the Port of Los Angeles traffic alone, much less Long Beach, Portland, Seattle, Tacoma, Oakland, San Francisco, and the rest as well.
     
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    We are further north, I am just saying there are always other options.
     
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    Trump's current briefing is absolutely off the walls, even for him.