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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Aetius

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    Seth Rich was murdered, likely during a robbery, and was never considered a suicide. His own family had to fight protracted legal battles to get right wing media to stop reporting completely unfounded conspiracy theories about his death.
     
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  3. Aetius

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    But the fact that Seth Rich neither committed suicide, nor was there ever a conspiracy theory in which he did, means it doesn't work as a joke.
     
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    Not sure if serious. Given Crowns penchant for hyperbole it seems pretty clear. The exact reason you just said is exemplified with this classic meme:
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    The joke would be referencing Gary Webb, an investigative journalist who died from two gunshot wounds to the head in an "apparent suicide." Not Seth Rich who was just normal-murdered in a likely mugging.
     
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    I’m pretty sure he’s purposely conflating the two for comedic effect. A jab at the true believers of the #clintonbodycount. I can’t be the only one who put this together?
     
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    That scenario doesn't make sense to me because of things like having the camera malfunction at time of death. It seems like they're covering up more than they need to if it was just a suicide. Besides, if he was killing himself they would want more proof that he really did. Makes it more of an open and shut case.
     
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    Yes, comedic effect. And No. You cannot be the only one.
     
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    That’s EXACTLY the kind of swerve that a bag man for Hillary would float.
     
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    I'm not pretending to know what happened. But generally, something would have to go wrong in order for him to successfully kill himself - if a monitored camera feed is functioning normally, it's awfully hard for someone to get enough privacy to hang themselves.

    The fewest variables are if Epstein was going to kill himself and was going to keep trying until he succeeded. The rest might just be survivorship bias; of course something went wrong, because the only way it was going to happen is if something went wrong.
     
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    If everything was working right someone repeatedly trying to kill themselves would stay on suicide watch, where Epstein should have been anyway. If the cameras were constantly monitored and one of them malfunctioned shouldn't someone have gone to the cell to fix it/check up? In any case I bet a lot of 'constantly monitored' cameras really aren't, and employees with jobs like that bring books in, or fucking around on their cell phone most of the shift. People aren't wired to stare at screens they aren't interacting with for those kinds of time lengths.

    If Epstein did do it himself I wonder why they didn't have monitor boy conveniently take a shit break during the deed, a superior need to have a chat with him at that moment, or something like that. I guess your theory is still plausible, but I think there's plenty to suspect foul play, regardless of whether it was Epstein or someone else.

    The one thing I would leave up in the air though is that the media is just fucking up a lot of their reporting, which they have a history of doing. Is that camera malfunction even verified? I've seen the other details get covered directly by the major outlets, but this one seems to be just spinning around the internet.
     
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    From what I gather, the thing we're pretty sure about is that there is no video of what happened, but whether that was because a camera malfunctioned or because he was in an area without cameras is unknown because the people who know the answer are not talking.

    I read today that the Dayton shooter used an AR-15 pistol, which I'm surprised isn't being talked about more. You can currently buy what is an otherwise identical AR or AK rifle, but so long as the manufacturer, retailer, and buyer all agree to call it a pistol, and you put a strap on the "stabilizing brace" to ostensibly make it possible to shoot like a pistol, then you theoretically have a perfectly legal firearm that magically becomes an illegal short-barrelled rifle as soon as you touch that "stabilizing brace" to your shoulder. Then it magically becomes legal again when you are done, so long as nobody important saw you do it. The fact that none of the prominent voices in the gun control debate have bothered to bring up this really low-hanging fruit is pretty good proof that they don't know anything about the subject.
     
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    Barr is going to end up blocking the autopsy results and sealing the record on Epstein.

    They’re not even trying anymore.
     
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    The general message is now “We have the keys, so fuck you” across the board.
     
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    Those have been around for a while. The NFA is a joke. Make a regulation, someone will find a way around it. I can’t take them seriously based on what they’re doing with suppressors.

    There’s a new drop-in trigger that just came out, completely NFA-compliant. What it does is it fires a round when you pull the trigger back, and then fires another round when you release it. So technically it’s still just one round per trigger pull, since releasing it is apparently a separate action? It basically enables rapid fire, or close to it, for about $5-600 and some intermediate gunsmithing and/or paying a gunsmith to do it for you. There’s a legitimate use for this in sporting events like 3-gun and some hunting scenarios, but it’s still laughable how they worked around the regulation and with the NFA’s approval. While again, the NFA is being a bitch about something — suppressors — that could drastically reduce instances of tinnitus and hearing loss if it didn’t take doing the hokey pokey for a year and a few month’s rent just to buy one.

    Reality is, SBRs - short barreled rifles, which require a tax stamp - are impractical. If you use a rifle-caliber pistol as one by shouldering the brace, you are doing so illegally. Though that legality might just be in semantics, it still stands. And for a few inches of barrel length more, you get an actual rifle that is worth a damn because it’s accurate beyond 50 feet or so. SBRs and rifle caliber pistols don’t have the barrel length to burn off all the powder in the cartridge nor do they have the barrel length required to get enough spin, and thus stability, on the round. They’re a niche range toy that’s only useful for CQB in the military, looking tacti-cool to your friends, and possibly home defense in some scenarios (though I’d prefer a pistol or shotgun in that case).
     
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    Anyone else following that the Russians may have accidentally nuked themselves? Looks like there is evidence of a nuclear explosion in Russia, with radiation spikes all around the area of suspicion. It’s also the location where the US suspects they were developing their nuke-tipped Skyfall cruise missile.
     
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    I’m watching it. My rule for them is whatever they openly admit to, the reality is probably way worse.
     
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    According to the ATFs last ruling pistol braces can be shouldered without being illegally used. Rumor is Trump already directed them to reverse this like they did with Bumpstocks. People will have to go back to those lame looking buffer tubes or just getting a tax stamp. 300 blackout suppressed, subsonic ammo, in an sbr would be a perfect home defense gun.
     
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    I just got a .308 and under suppressor last week and I had to wait a year for it. Sure wish I would've had this thing in Baghdad, I'd still have decent hearing in my right ear. Every rifle should come with one. But, thanks to people who think action movies are real, suppressors are looked at like they're a magic tube that makes guns twice as lethal.
     
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    It would be a truly impressive fuck up if they did. The science behind criticality and bomb design has been known for decades, and most of the work on advanced weapons has been on the delivery mechanism. I suppose they could have been fucking around with a new warhead design in an attempt to miniaturize it, but that should make it even harder to go critical.