The reason they keep stirring up this pointless bullshit that's never going to go anywhere instead of trying to impeach Trump on corruption where they could actually make a strong case is because they're doing the same things themselves. I don't know about Shokin, but did any of you ask why the fuck Biden's son is getting $50k a month on a board in an industry and country he has no experience with or anything even remotely close to sufficient qualifications? What do you think they were paying him for? His expertise on subjects he knew nothing about? Sure, it's possible it's nothing, but how often do people so completely unqualified get positions like this when they don't have close relatives that are politicians? Pretty much never. But Trump does something you very clearly didn't even care about for the last two years when non-Trump people were doing it and people are suddenly prattling on like it's worst thing you've ever heard of. We have to act to save our democracy! I really don't get how people so easily rationalize this over and over.
You mean to insinuate that a drug addict sister-in-law fucker might not be on the up and up? To his credit if his dad is elected president he’ll be the biggest fuck up relative of a president of all time. That’s the clintons that’s the Kennedy’s that’s everybody.
A recent NBC/WSJ poll asked what Americans thought of Trump regardless of his policies, and 69% of them personally thought he was a piece of shit. Who knew that being an antagonistic asshole had a downside? Luckily for him, Pelosi will find some way to fuck this up and I'm already mad about it. Nobody really cared about Trump doing all the illegal stuff he was doing before he was president because he was and continues to be a joke. The only reason anybody gives him any attention is because he just happens to be President. When you are president, everything you do is amplified to an 11 because the office of the President of the United States is a huge fucking platform. Really, stop and think about the power the President has and how much damage he can do. Has it ever occurred to you that this man could ruin the world's economy with a tweet? So yes, everything Trump does is a big fucking deal because he is president. Nobody will care about him when he isn't, except for grandpas who will tell their grandkids about the guy that made life harder for brown people and accelerating the ruining of the environment.
Riiiiight, you just care because he's president. But you don't care when a candidate for president does it way more and far more egregiously, with the help of a bunch of the party convention staffers, specifically tries to get foreign officials to make statements to help their campaign, and actually pays some of the foreigners. Then it's just fine. You're outraged because he's a republican and you just react that way by default. This scandal is hilarious because there are endless examples of this knee jerk mentality, but it's rare for it to be this blatantly obvious and so parallel.
Where did I say I didn't care? All corruption is bad. Focusing on the corruption that is being committed by the fucking president, today, instead of a presidential candidate from 4 fucking years ago, is not an unreasonable position to take. If you think that it is unreasonable, you are being a useful idiot that is preventing the current, present corruption from being addressed. Also, I do not speak for all liberals. Just because one liberal person says a thing, that doesn't automatically mean I agree with it. Stop projecting whatever perceived shortcomings of liberals you may have onto me.
Ok that's that. No more personal jabs. We have been down this road on this thread before. Take it to PM if you want to argue. Keep the focus on details of politics or news or whatever.
This is the most bullshit argument Ive heard from the left. Because when they are in the thick of a presidency with their own preferred party magically any and all allegations of corruption are dismissed, downplayed, and written off as conspiracy theories (it's fun to watch the left spin itself in circles doing the same thing now, THE NRA LAUNDERED RUSSIAN MONEY AND WAS THE OPEN AIR PAY OFF FOR RUSSIAN HACKING, Seven nations deeeeaaaaals!!!!!). They only seem to be interested in corruption RIGHT NOW when it's the opposing party in office. It's flat out naked hypocrisy and a totally empty argument. Stop it already it's boring and useless. I hate playing the "imagine if" game but seriously. Take the Louis Lerner IRS scandal and apply to how the media and Democratic leaders would react if Trump had the same thing happen under his watch. He'd had been impeached the week it came to light. Obama had 95% of the media apparatus running cover for him. Im sorry but the right having a single news network, a legacy media format that has next to zero relevancy in todays world, and a handful of big right leaning sites don't compare to literally every other media format in bed with the left gets corruption buried quite nicely.
Is this Indian dress up thing becoming a scandal with the elections about to happen up north? Or is everyone just agreeing that people make mistakes sometimes and especially that dude?
His insanely thorough exoneration of Nixon will forever be a shitstain on his career he won’t be able to wipe away. As deserved.
The investigation partially based on that ended just this year, and democrat senators were writing letters threatening Ukraine if they didn't investigate Trump barely over a year ago. You're going to pretend this is ancient history? And your argument about how you're only focusing on this now and ignoring that would maybe be just a little bit believable if you had even the slightest give a fuck about any of those things when they happened, but you didn't. However, the very second you were told to be upset about a republican doing the same thing, only a much more mild version of it you jumped on command without blinking. And now you're calling people useful idiots. That's fucking hilarious.
In retrospect, a number of historians are saying he did a noble thing with the pardon. He cost himself the election and he knew that when he signed the pardon. But, the country was greatly divided at the time and the whole Nixon problem was creating even more division. By signing the pardon, although there was a huge uproar at first, it slowly became memory holed...it was over and done with instead of dragging on for years and continuing to divide the country. He fell on his sword so to speak. Besides that, without Gerald Ford none of us would've ever heard of Chevy Chase.
I think that if the story would have come out a few days before the election that it could have swung things. But to hear the outrage from people who days before were complaining that the n-word was ruined by PC culture has really put things in focus. I don't think that anyone who is changing their vote because of Trudeau's choices back in the day is voting to the right. So it may change things in heavily contested ridings between the NDP and Liberals but since the NDP have been putting up unelectable candidates in ridings that are heavily contested between the conservatives and the liberals I think that people will keep on voting strategically. What is really going to make a difference is if the People's Party of Canada makes any inroads into the Conservative base, because the right has been unified since 2003 where as the centrist liberals and the NDP and the Green Parties have been to the left of the Conservatives. I also think that 20 years ago is a long time for most people. I know that a decade ago we were all Tucker Max fans and look at how that's turned out.
I completely agree with Toytoy. Ford took a bullet for the country. Do not come after me unless you were alive and driving at the time.
I had assumed the Trudeau blackface scandal was one of those things the media keeps discussing, but no one actually cares about. I mean maybe if the context was little more provocative, but a fucking Day-O song? I'm guessing this will just be one of those things the right up there fingers points to whenever they do something stupid with regards to racial issues.
Going back to the impeachment thing for a second, what is the basis for impeaching even supposed to be? Nothing in the transcript was criminal. Ukraine has said there was no quid pro quo. Pelosi has said she wants to keep the inquiry focused on this incident. So what the fuck are they going to impeach on? Are they planning to do it on the sole basis that they find the call inappropriate? The threshold for impeachment is subjective, but there is no way that is going to compellingly pass as sufficient grounds. Or is the idea that they're going to try to dissect Trump's words and craft a bunch of flimsy arguments about how this and that was implied? I mean, that might be fine for the standards of a CNN article, but that is never going to hold up as a legal argument. They've been rambling on about Trump hiding the phone call, but that angle is not going to work when he released it right after the story broke. If there turns out to be some form of quid pro quo then that changes things, but if their whole strategy is going to be finding meanings and deals beyond what is actually said then this is going to be an incredibly pointless exercise. I see this as potentially being a lot more damaging to Biden than Trump. He has a really sketchy history of his family's business deals lining up with his work in politics and while it won't be talked about as much on the house floor it's going to get a lot more focus because of this. Outlets like WAPO and the NYT have already been connecting the dots, pointing out timings that look like a lot more than simple coincidences, and highlighting several conflicts of interest throughout his career. When the left wing publications are already admitting it looks bad it's going to be hard to just brush it all off as republican conspiracy theories. I'm sure there will be plenty of those, but I can't see how the extra attention on these things is going to do anything but hurt his chances for the presidency.
You mean like every uproar over the past 3 or 4 years? Remember way back when it was Russian collusion? The Mueller report will bring everything to light! Then the report came out and both sides claimed victory. And.... Apparently there was no Russian collusion. I haven't heard a word about it since the initial outrage died down. 2 years of investigation and millions of dollars spent and nothing. Let's move on to the next thing we can be partisan outraged about and screech "Impeach" to fire up our base. Enough of that bullshit. I don't know about the rest of you, but I find the whole thing fatiguing. Instead of working together to make our country better and more prosperous our politicians have spent the past couple of years making sure their party is the one yelling the loudest. And stupidest. And that does you and I exactly nothing. I have a feeling that other then the extremes on the left and right, most of us could agree on something in the center. How can we can get to somewhere in the center together?
Posts like this depress me. If you read the Mueller Report it is very clear that: Russia aggressively and purposefully interfered with the 2016 election. The Trump campaign was aware of Russia's efforts. The Trump campaign was willing to assist Russia's efforts. Trump and other principals actively lied to the public about 1, 2, and 3. Trump and other principals obstructed the investigation into 1, 2, and 3. But the report drops and Trump goes on twitter and types "NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION" and people just shrug and believe him.