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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Crown Royal

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    A 36 year old buttcheek. However I loved her as the puppet in the “Saw” movies.
     
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    Define “adults”
     
  4. Kampf Trinker

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    I can't believe this is for real.

    It is NEVER going anywhere. Taking bets at window 7. Whatever odds you want.

    I don't get what you guys don't understand about a multimillion dollar multiyear investigation failing to establish anything meaningful.

    I know people really got their hearts set on this, with how cool it sounded and all, but it's time to move on.
     
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    Have you read the report? It's absolutely chock full of meaningful shit.
     
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    Plus trump saying he’d take info from foreign governments and not report it is a whole new thing.

    I don’t expect anything to come of it either. Because I’ve learned not to expect anything to come of our government except wasteful spending and lies. But it’s just funny to see trump actively doing the equivalent of shooting someone on 5th Ave (or whatever that campaigning quote was) and, as he predicted, his supporters actively not giving a shit.

    It’s funny. And it’s depressing.
     
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    Name me one politician you think would turn dirt down on their opponents in this situation. It's definitely not the person who ran against Trump, just saying.

    In Mueller's words "the evidence did not establish the president was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election activities."

    People keep trying to claim he took no position on it, or he didn't recommend impeachment proceedings for various reasons, and it's laughauble. Even more laughable are the claims that he "all but recommended congress prosecute Trump for election crimes with Russia." Very creative interpretation there.

    What is depressing to me is how many people are so easy to manipulate and/or partisan they somehow interpret these things as

    1. Nothing showed any wrongdoing on the democrats part in the election or corruption in the leaks.
    2. Collusion was proved! Like so many times!

    Wtf?

    Let me ask you this: Why isn't you give a flying fuck about the way the DNC ran their primaries? Why do you not care about that at all? Why do you not care about all the evidence of quid pro quo in the wikileaks? Don't fucking tell me it's not because of partisan bullshit because it obviously is. The evidence is oh so much more compelling than this stupid conspiracy theory that has been investigated with exponentially more resources. Hillary is out of power, probably for good, but this doesn't just pertain to her by a long shot.

    I'll say it again. They get away with anything because all they have to do is tell people about the bad bad racists, or commies. It is fucking pathetic. When nothing comes of these ridiculous conspiracy theories it's "Oh, woe is our nation. There's no accountability." Then when something is proven, but people don't like what the evidence says it's "No way. If they had done something wrong they would have already been held accountable. Why isn't so and so Mcfucklestick in jail? Hmmm?" The mental hoops people jump through is fucking surreal.
     
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    Al Gore. Because he did it.

    Correct, the evidence gathered by Mueller was not sufficient to sustain a conviction of criminal conspiracy. However the report describes, in great detail, the chain of events that led to the Trump Tower meeting, among other contacts, and the conduct within the meeting. This included the Russians informing Trump Jr that there was a Russian government effort to help his father get elected, that they had evidence of illegal foreign payments to Clinton, and that they wanted reconsideration of the Magnitsky Act in return. Trump Jr then asked for the details of the illegal payments (which he never got, likely because they didn't exist) and indicated a willingness to look at the Magnitsky Act later on when his father was President, and not just a private citizen with no influence over the act. During this entire period the Trump campaign loudly denied the existence of a Russian effort entirely, much less their participation in it.

    No one is claiming Mueller all but recommended congress prosecute Trump for election crimes with Russia, they are claiming that Mueller all but recommended Congress impeach Trump over obstruction of justice, which is what Mueller did. The report lays out 10 instances of possible obstruction, all of them well supported, and then concludes that due to OLC regulations a sitting President cannot be indicted. He then further includes an entire section about Congress's authority, ultimately concluding:

    He's basically saying "he did it, I can prove it, I can't prosecute it, but Congress can."
     
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    I agree there is a case for obstruction, but I mainly hear about collusion still. The Trump Tower meeting never went anywhere so it's a moot point. It's a bad look, but hardly a six nation bargaining deal.

    I do seem to remember other investigations into other candidates being obstructed, with accusations that weren't made up, but a lot of people were much less bothered. Gee, I wonder why.
     
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    Ignoring collusion for a moment, the fact remains that he obstructed an investigation. Multiple times. I'm of the opinion that by telling his subordinates to ignore subpoenas so they won't testify against him, he's committing more obstruction. At this point, what's the point of saying, "well, it wasn't a good look, but it wasn't actually collusion"? You realize that you are defending him, right? The guy you don't want in office anymore? Why do you keep trying to point out the hypocrisy of Democrats doing the same shit years or decades ago? You think we don't all know this already?

    Trump's administration will be remembered as one of the most corrupt in history, and the thing that apparently bothers you and so many other conservatives is a perception of unfair media coverage. Have you ever wondered that if Trump wasn't a piece of shit, there would be less reporting of him doing shitty things?

    It doesn't seem to bother conservatives that he gave rich people tax breaks that have added trillions to the debt (which we will still be paying for long after he's dead), is actively working against those fighting climate change, can't seem to tell the truth about anything fucking ever, and all the other shit he does on seemingly a weekly basis that would have sunk past administrations, that for some reason, is another fucking Tuesday for him.

    So, why do you defend his indefensible actions?
     
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    I'm not defending his obstruction.
    I'm not, there's just things I care more about than maybe he unsuccessfully impeded an investigation into bullshit.

    The last two years from the media have been Alex Jones level of stupid over this. Really.

    It's a wonder they even have the balls to call themselves journalists after this shit. Just no shame at all.
     
  12. Kubla Kahn

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    Self reflection ain’t in the cards for today’s journalists. Interestedly prior to Edward R Murrow and the fifties transition into “objective” investigative journalism as the 4th estate, the press was hyper partisan. Towns would have two newspapers that would trash the opposing party. This is what the founders were protecting in the first amendment, that’s what they were used to. Objective journalism is a nice thought that has never really been the reality.
     
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    Speaking of Biden again, it seems his campaign strategy is "limited exposure." This kind of reminds me of Hillary's avoid the press strategy. Regardless of whether or not this is the right strategy for the situation stuff like this is a glaring clue that a candidate pretty sucks.

    I'm honestly surprised Biden is doing so well in the polls. I mean, I meet people who like candidates like Yang and Gabbard who are polling at 1%, and never meet anyone who gives a shit about Biden. Must be the old person candidate or something. To be expected I suppose.
     
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    Biden would be in his 80s by the time he finished his first term.

    I’m no Trump fan but I don’t want an 80 something driving a car much less driving our country.
     
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    Meh I don’t think age is what it used to be. I think Biden has the best chance of taking back the key Midwest states than any of the others. Folksie and down the middle safe. The rest of the major contenders trying to out victim hood and out entitlement spend each other. Though I think a young charismatic candidate could energize the base much better than old establishment grandpa Joe can.
     
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    Sanders is just as old and after him and Biden no one is really doing well yet. Maybe someone will emerge after the first round of debates, but I don't know if someone can actually accomplish much in a ten person debate. There really isn't enough individual time to do much other than proclaim platitudes like "education good, I stand for good things". I suppose someone could just talk over everyone else and then berate the moderators with crazy accusations as an excuse. Hey, it worked for Trump...

    Kubla, I'm going to disagree. The thing with the purple midwest is despite what coastal jackasses keep saying they don't give a fuck about racial gender crap. That's all Biden has been on about for the most part. That, and he's curing cancer. The upper midwest will be won or lost on economics and trade, and to a lesser extent healthcare. Biden is thus far a big nobody cares in these areas.
     
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    I’m saying as far as the democrat field he’s much more palatable in the Midwest than the hardcore leftist. Then again Hillary was a down the middle old guard that didn’t energize enough of the base in those states. I just don’t think who ever is the contender will make Hillary’s mistake again. They’ll court them like crazy but it remains to be seen if they can overcome Trumps built in incumbent advantage on top of his economic record (which surface appearance is all that really matters).
     
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    Harvard's rescinded an acceptance offer to a conservative Parkland activist over racist slurs he used when he was 16.

    This story pisses me off. For one, the adults in their 40s whining about how hurtful this is are fucking retarded. I don't care about your stupid preamble, you're fucking ridiculous. If you get so hurt over what some dumbass kid who was 16 YEARS OLD said for shock value you're a loser, and you need to reexamine your life.

    What really bothers me though is all the people, like the woman who wrote the article celebrating this. Seriously, what kind of petty fucking douchebag are you that you want someone to reap the consequences over and over for some stupid shock value crap they said when they were 16? What in the fucking fuck is wrong with you? Sure, this didn't ruin his life, but it did screw him over as he turned down a number of other acceptances and scholarships he can't take now.

    The other thing is damn near everyone said full on retarded shit when they were 16. I can't recall writing something like what this kid did, but sure, I said all kinds of misogynistic jokes, or racial jokes, or what have you around that age that I probably wouldn't say now. Who in their right mind really cares? Not the minorities and girls I said them around. Just saying.

    I guess it's just I really can't stand the circus seals constantly clapping over stuff like this, and then moralizing about it. You're not a good person, you're a vindictive piece of shit.

    I've also heard first amendment arguments thrown around a lot about this incident, and I'm not sure I'm sold on them, but yeah, I too don't like the idea of $550 million in tax payer money going to an institution that's going to clutch their pearls over something a kid said when he was 16.
     
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    His argument is that he has changed in the two years since he was sixteen. If not for his mom, this kid wouldn't have changed his bedsheets in that time frame.

    He also worked for Turning Point USA, so fuck'im.
     
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    What a good reason you got there.

    I'm sure you said something offensive at 16. Going to give yourself 40 lashes, or is ok because you had the right kind of politics?