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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Aetius

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    Two months ago climate change wasn't even in the top ten most discussed issues in American politics and political media. Now every Democratic 2020 candidate needs to stake an aggressive position on climate change just to be in the race. I don't care if AOC literally has a rock in between her ears, she pushed the discussion where it needed to go. She's a freshman Congresswoman from a very liberal district; there's so many checks on her that her bad ideas won't even make it out of committee. I have zero fear of whatever Trotskyite revolution the right fears she is going to lead. But Ed Markey doesn't have the media savvy to get climate change on the agenda by himself, and AOC does. Even if all she ever accomplishes is to be a hypeman for better legislators, she will have done more for her country than any Republican in the last decade.
     
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    That doesn't help if she makes climate change believers look like drooling idiots.
     
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    The 2020 field is talking about climate change, it's already helping. I don't need AOC to solve the problem, I don't even need her to try to solve the problem, I just need her to get people talking about it.
     
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    So, do you support the GND?
     
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    I dont see the value of this tactic for simply getting people to talk about climate change when the premise on which its discussed is asinine and already a punchline. Everyone was already well aware of climate change. But how is anyone supposed to take it seriously when the first idea out of the gate is idiotic? Thats like saying some jingoistic republican should get credit for getting people to talk about border security if they propose having border patrol shoot illegals as they try to cross. I dont see meaningful, long-term value in that strategy.
     
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    Same could be said about Trump and the wall. If it leads to actual substantive immigration reform that’s been simply ignored for 30 plus years then the ends justified the means right?
     
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    Everyone is very much not well aware of climate change. They've heard of it, but only vaguely, and to a very large degree have no idea how severe it is and the scale of the effort required to combat it. Getting the public on board with the work is the most important piece of the puzzle; the policy will follow. You also underestimate how much a Presidential campaign dominates the oxygen in the room. The country will be discussing the 2020 Democratic candidate's climate proposal, not AOC's, and that proposal will be a much more vetted set of policy prescriptions.
     
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    Given that it's a non-binding sense of the Congress and is littered throughout with hedging language about feasibility, sure.
     
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    There are far fewer checks on a President, which makes him far more dangerous. As he has shown, he can implement policy (or a glaring lack of such) without the support of his caucus, the votes of the Congress, or even a general sense of reality. Immigration is also nowhere near an emergency, and his rhetoric on the issue has been explicitly racist from its inception; it is hard to compare ginning up nativist hostility towards immigrants with generating public backing for a necessary period of hard work and hard sacrifice. He is also insisting on a specific policy proposal because his narcissistic supply requires it, not because it has reached any bar of feasibility or effectiveness.
     
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    People suck. Kamala Harris is getting shit about her "blackness" because she is married to a white dude. What is wrong with people that this is even a thing? Next thing you know they're gonna ask her about her wrestling career.
     
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    So is that what they're covering instead of her horrible record as an AG? Sounds about right.
     
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    "Is Kamala Harris black enough?" well given that the options are her, Booker, a bunch of Democrats who are as white as a ream of paper, and an openly racist Republican party, that's a question that ultimately does not matter.
     
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    So liberals question her blackness, two of the highest level politicians in Virginia got caught wearing blackface and aren’t forced to resign immediately, a newly elected Democratic politician posts antisemitic bullshit on Twitter all within the last week and the openly racist ones are..... the Republicans. Lol.
     
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    I mean yeah. The Browns signing Kareem Hunt this week doesn't mean the Patriots aren't the greatest dynasty in football history.
     
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    Ok, if you guys are going to keep saying this like it's a given fact, I want to know what racist shit republicans have done. You're going to have to come up with something better than "want voters to get an ID" or "supported border security".
     
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    Well, there is ONE congressman in Iowa who is condemned by the whole party, so I guess there's that.
     
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    If by "want voters to get an ID" you mean "requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would 'target African-Americans with almost surgical precision,'" according to a federal appeals court.
     
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    They can’t. And instead of having actual policy positions that aren’t retarded, they hope to appeal to the emotions of morons with either identity politics or attempts at quixotic causes that no one actually gives a shit about. And they’ll wonder why Trump is going to get re-elected.
     
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    Last I remember was Texas where it was upheld. "Please bring your ID to vote." This systemic oppression is getting pretty fucking weak, isn't it?
     
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    And seriously, if this is all it takes to defeat the democrats now maybe try appealing to some voters that aren't such lazy fucks. I mean Jesus.