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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Nettdata

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    I might actually agree with him.

    Sounds like he voted no because he’s got a history in law enforcement and he was worried that there was no provision to protect innocent people from the release. He didn’t want collateral damage to witnesses, etc.

    Assuming a reasonable definition of “innocent”, and not trying to label Republicans as innocent, then I can see the case.
     
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    I think it’s reasonable to release the files safely, I just don’t trust the current keepers of said files to do that.
     
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    That would imply some amount of principles on the part of Mr Higgins, which I assure you he does not have. This is a guy who had to resign in disgrace from being a cop, twice, and once voted for David Duke. He's a reliable lickspittle for Trump, and a genuine asshole in pretty much every Congressional hearing I've ever seen him in.
     
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    I know nothing about him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    They’re all fucktards.
     
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    If I told you to imagine "a caricature of a racist bowl of gumbo," Clay Higgins is what your mind would conjure.
     
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    Senate voted "Yes" unanimously. Now Trump can either:

    1) Sign it, and likely seal his fate.

    2) Veto it, face a veto-override, and have a worse fate.

    3) Veto it, veto-override fails, Trump looks guilty regardless, becomes politically toxic and essentially lame ducks himself.

    Pam Bondi will probably pull some bullshit that they can't release the files because they are actively investigating the Democrats or something.
     
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    That's definitely the plan. The entire Republican caucus wheeling 180 degrees in unison means they've settled on some other plan. It's gonna be some combination of "active investigation" and "national security" to keep the most prominent Republican names out of it.
     
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    Yeah and it makes sense considering they announced the "investigation" like 2 days ago. Then again, any member of Congress could reasonably leak the documents and face minimal penalty now that they are legally public.
     
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    What date is that? He has been impeached twice. Convicted of 30 something felonies and admitted to sexual assault. He’s never been punished at all.

    and because the democrats are too busy advocating for cutting off your ding dong being a great reason to play women’s sports, people would vote for him a 3rd time. No matter how many times he sucked of Clinton.
     
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    Isn't sucking Clinton's cock punishment enough? I'm saying political punishment.

    Probably paid Indonesia to modify DNA to make goat-human hybrids.
     
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    I thought that it was not veto-able due to the extreme majority of the vote? At least that's what the news is reporting.
     
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    I dunno, is that a thing? It's been a bit since there's been a near unanimous vote on anything meaningful.
     
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    I don't know man... it's not like I live there. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    But everything is now pointing to Trump gladly signing it.

    Makes me think that the release will have all Republicans redacted, or it'll be cock-blocked by an active DOJ investigation.
     
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    The way the American system works is that once a bill is passed by both chambers of Congress, it goes to the President for his signature. He has ten days to either sign it, or veto it (if he does nothing, it becomes law after ten days, excluding weird circumstances known as a pocket veto which shouldn't come into play here). If he vetoes it, it goes back to the Congress, where they can alter the bill to address the President's objections and send it back for his signature, or they can hold a veto-override vote. If 2/3 of each chamber votes in favor of the veto-override, it becomes law, without the President's signature.

    What the news is reporting is the the number of Congresscritters who voted in favor of the bill is more than the threshold that would be required to override a veto, should one be forthcoming. But they would have to formally vote to do it in order for it to go into effect.
     
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    Ahh... OK. That makes sense. Thanks.
     
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    A lot of times you'll hear the phrase "veto-proof majority" which basically means so many Congressmen voted for it that the President shouldn't bother wasting his political capital trying to veto it, because they'll just tell him to fuck himself, override the veto, and embarrass him politically. But that was in saner times, so who knows.
     
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    Of course Clay Higgins was the only no vote. Of course the hero to every gun-toting yokel dipshit with a small dick in America would vote against it. What a perverted pussy.
     
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    I wanted to clear up a commonly passed around misconception about who is actually going to be releasing the files.

    The DOJ/AG, who have seen the files, are not the agencies who would be releasing the files. That would belong to the courts who currently have the files as evidence from way back in the day when Epstein was convicted and sentence to jail. These files can't be redacted or changed or held up due to an ongoing investigation or any other thing Trump wants to do or is thinking of doing. The only option Trump has at this point is releasing an edited version of the files through the DOJ/AG as well as the files being released by the courts and then claiming "HIS" file release is the real one and the actual file release is fake and being pushed by a Democrat conspiracy to start another Russia Russia Russia hoax.

    The release of the files will cause a few different things to happen -

    1. Anyone who's name is mentioned in the files is instantly going to be labelled a pedo, regardless of their involvement or culpability. Trump is going to get a pass for this as he's going to weasel his way out of it as he's been trying to do for the past year, but everyone else is going to go down in flames.
    1a. This is going to throw an even bigger wrench into political party dynamics and this will dominate the attack ads and be one of the top issues going into the midterms. The economy won't be extreme enough to be the major focus, but rest assured, it will be coming up around the corner soon after.

    2. There is going to be so much mudslinging and finger pointing playing keep away from the pedo, the actual victims in this case are going to see zero justice and similarly to the 2008 crash, there will be one, maybe two high profile shame resignations, but ultimately this issue is going to get blamed on immigration and brown people.

    3. Trump is going to ramp up everything he's already been doing to the maximum because he's already been allowed to do it. Deportations, missile strikes in South America, ignoring court orders, etc etc. He's going to continue to shrink in popularity, but the damage has been done already and he's going to milk out every last bit of power he can while he's president. Dems won't win enough seats in the midterms to reverse anything that's already been done, but it should stop anything new coming down the pipe that needs even the slightest bit of public support in congress. This doesn't bode well for the upcoming government fight over the next shutdown which is set to take place some time at the end of January. The World Cup kicking off in the summer of 2026 is going to be SUPER interesting to watch seeing as how much movement through the Americas is set to happen.
     
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    So, you're saying there are 2 copies of said files; one being the FBI/DOJ's copy where thousands of man hours have been spent by the FBI to redact all the GOP things, and one by the court seeing the actual case that remains original and pristine.

    That's interesting... never considered that.

    So as much as Higgins may be a Boss Hogg and has a shitty history, his stance in this case could almost be justified.
     
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    It's not that there's two copies so to speak, but the actual files have been held by the courts the entire time and have been released to specific parties when requested. Parts of them have been released since the case ended. It's why we know the information we know already. The recent release of documents by the Epstein estate was voluntary and probably has some crossover with information in the court cases. What remains that hasn't been released is probably the juicy stuff that's been under federal seal since the trial ended. There's almost no way to get a federal court to release sealed files on a case like this without doing exactly what has been done, making a law in congress. There is some language in the bill which Trump and Bondi think will allow them to keep out all of the information they don't want released, but unless you are trying to argue in front of a judge that the Epstein files are somehow related to national defense, the files are going to be released and there's nothing they can do to stop it. The only recourse they have is to muddy the waters as much as they possibly can and hope people lose interest once the files have been released.