We were having a discussion at work. I am from Calgary, Alberta. This is Winnipeg, Manitoba. I might as well have a gun rack and a silver belt buckle; compared to the ultra-socialist views of this province, I am a raging redneck. I'm all for things like businesses being open on Sundays whenever they want, low taxes and capital punishment. But I digress. One of the people I work with was in the Chilean Secret Service when the coup happened in Chile; he was overnight 'the enemy,' interred in a concentration camp and has in general lived a tougher life than I will ever know. He is, of course, socialist in his views. The debate began when he was complaining about what our government is doing to education, and how there should be better access to it. I'll spare you the details, but it lead to me saying, "You should only have the number of children you can afford. You can't expect the state to pay for their upbringing." I don't know if this thread has legs, but I was thinking the focus might be... Focus: Are children a privilege or a right? Should you be allowed to have children, regardless of your ability to financially provide for them? How much of a child's care should be borne by the parents?