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"Call the cops, they're fuckin' again!"

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Volo, Mar 20, 2010.

  1. Maltob14

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    I'm with the cops on this one because of the circumstances and the guy being a dip shit for not telling them to wait at the door.

    And fuck neighbours. I've had the cops called on me for 'breaking into' my own house on a street I used to live on for around 15 years where everyone knew me. Thankfully cops don't find husky children wearing a beater, covered in ice cream to be too menacing.
     
  2. E. Tuffmen

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    To me, that's the most fucked up part about the whole thing. 10 years for growing pot is absurd. However, like some of you have said, if a cop is responding to a call at a specific address for a complaint of screaming, even if the guy says, sorry you can't come in, I'm thinking that cop says, "well, I'm sorry but I need to take a look around and make sure there's no one here in distress." If it were me and I was the cop, I'd feel obligated to go in. You would have to assume the guy was lying. As far as I'm concerned that cop has to go in and peek around.
     
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    I definitely sympathize with McGacken. If you aren't aware of what you are doing it's easy to give them a reason to enter when you don't want them to. A year ago my roommate accidentally invited cops into our place once and I was scared shitless the entire time they were inside. A few friends and I came home one weekend night after drinking and as it was a nice night, opened the windows while we smoked a bit. An hour or two later, free of most of my higher brain function, I went to the kitchen to get some orange juice. While I was drinking from the container, there was a knock at my backdoor, which is inside the building up a staircase that should have a locked door at the bottom. I pulled back the curtain to see who was at the door. I nearly shit myself and dropped the orange juice because there were three cops staring at my dumb ass. The cops thought we were having a party and were writing us up for disturbing the peace. My roommate comes to the door after I had been speaking with them and he starts explaining to the cops how we aren't having a party and they can see for themselves, forgetting there is pot on the coffee table and tons of paraphernalia laying around the rest of the apartment.

    We got lucky. The cop looks walked in and looked around, and asked my roommate "Do you have a lot of marijuana, or just a little bit?"

    Stoned, my roommate just said yeah. The cop looked at him kind of confused and repeated, "Do you have a lot of marijuana, or just a little bit," and my roommate said,

    "Oh oh just a little bit, a very small amount." The cop was satisfied with this, walked to the back door and told the other cops we were going to be let off the hook. I was thanking whatever higher being that seems to like me on occasion one of the other cops, who gave me a summons for having an open beer a few feet off my lawn in the past, wasn't the one to walk through.

    In my experience, cops, like most groups of people, follow the 10% rule: 10% of them are assholes. You can adjust the number as you see fit but the premise remains. Some are normal human beings, police work is their job and they do it to the best of their ability. Then there are a few who are genuine assholes who thrive on making life miserable for others. Cops, teachers, people at the DMV, office workers, lawyers, etc.; all occupations are going to suffer their share of asshole power-trippers.
     
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    "Got warrant?"

    Beyond that, in cases such as this where police conceivably had probable cause to effect a search without a warrant based on a potential act of violence in progress, courts need to clearly state that the search is limited in scope to the crime they had PC to search for. This in plain sight during a warrantless search of a private residence bullshit is just that, bullshit, and it's a joke that a court would rule it acceptable.

    Also, we need to a lot better job teaching citizens exactly what their rights are in these situations. The number of otherwise illegal searches that result from cops implying they have more power than they do is shockingly high.
     
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    Somewhat related story.

    My roommates and I were having a small party on Maui about a year ago. Maybe 15 or so people over. Most were out back playing pool and what not, and two people were inside the house. Cops came to the door and when the people inside opened the door the main police guy looked inside and said to his douche buddies (no joke), "They must be out back, you guys head around there." And then made the two stay there with him or quote, "You'll be going to jail."

    They then came around the back of the house and effectively shut the party down. When my roommate told them, "Get the fuck outta here, noone let you back here!" they grabbed him and put him in cuffs. Because he struggled slightly they delivered around 8-9 knees into his thighs and side and finally got him to the ground. They continued interrogating everyone, most of whom were overage and perfectly fine. They then saw the three weed plants growing out there, all in their appropriate seasons as per Hawaii medical liscence protical. They thought they hit the gold mine here, until my other roommate produced the card giving him full rights to grow that marijuana, at which time they smashed the plants, arrested my buddy for resisting arrest, and left. Apparently at some point in the night they took my buddy out of his cell still cuffed, and proceded to beat the shit out of him. I know this not only from his testimony, but from the numerous cuts and bruises all over his body.

    When he went to court, the court recognized his unfair treatment, but still gave him a disorderly conduct ticket for 200 bucks. Fucked system? I think so.

    I know all of this from others there, as I was passed out in my room inside at this time. That didn't stop the cops from walking into my bedroom (of which the door was closed) and trying to wake me up, even though my roommates told them, "HE IS SLEEPING, HE LIVES HERE!" They had permission to do none of this.

    Hawaii's whole police/court system is about as fucked as it gets. Actually, I'll extend that to Hawaii's entire governmental body. We need some serious change.
     
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    This is what I want to hear. The police here have spoken and it would be worthwhile to hear another view.

    Once again, I think the 1966 Mapp vs. Ohio Supreme Court case ruling could apply to this situation. My understanding* is that it prevents evidence obtained in illegal (unconstitutional) searches to be used against you in court.

    How can entering a home under the precedent that reports of screaming coming from the house be related to (and applied to searching for) weed? Is this not considered since he let the police into his home and practically led them through a search? This is where the lawyers come in handy...

    Everything aside, 10 years for 12.5 ounces of bud and 15 plants sounds ridiculous. Sure, whether you agree with it or not he was breaking laws, but damn- 10 years and 3 1/4 years until possibility of parole sounds extremely harsh.

    *This is what I remember from AP Government...
     
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    I'm no lawyer, but he consented to search by allowing the cops in the door. The marijuana was in plain sight. They weren't searching for weed in particular, but that doesn't mean the guy was allowed to have it.
     
  8. Ganimedes

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    So does it matter? It seems to me that if anyone affiliated with a law enforcement agency wanted to sort through your stack of man on lawnmower porn they'd maybe only be restricted to knocking before breaking the door down.

    I'm not a US citizen and it'd be interesting to know how it really works over there. Obviously the more overt actions, like keeping people indefinitly without charges, would be practiced with discretion if they're not brown but how do you feel about the risk of having your phonecalls listened in on or stored? Without trying to turn this political, it's just one of those things we get a chuckle out of when we see movies/tv shows/teapartiers trotting out the old life-liberty/socialism-communism dogma.

    Source - <a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act</a>

    Edit - quote tags are great if you remember to close them before posting.
     
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    This guy was just dumb. A decade worth of dumb though? Ten fucking years behind bars with murderers and rapists, because of a plant?
    That's dumb too.
    Chances are, if the cops are at your house for whatever reason, you probably did something to help that along. Whether it is a loud party/argument/fucking/whatever, is irrelevant, you have to deal with the police now. It doesn't matter what you've ingested, you have to be able to think clear enough to deal with a situation that could have serious consequences. This is a good example of why everyone should learn their rights and know laws that pertain to them.

    This guy was a drug dealer. He should have known better. Come on, what else are you gonna do with that much weed?
    It's against the law, no matter how you and I feel about it. (I can think of no one I know who thinks it's a good idea, you stoners.)
    Knucklehead should have known better, after all, he was breaking a law in the first place.
    Of course, there's going to be abuses. Most jobs are full of people abusing their situations to some extent. Most cops try to do their jobs like anyone else, it's a job.
    It's hard for this subject not to be headed for a clusterfuck of the 'weed should be legal'.
    Anyway everyone knows that if you break the law, it doesn't matter where you go or where you hide. Between Dog and Steven Segal your ass is still going to jail.
     
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    Yes, but that's still no excuse to give them permission. IF you don't consent to a search and they do it anyways you can always argue whether or not their "probable cause" was justified. But if you just accept and consent to the search you walk into the courtroom with nothing but your dick in your hand. It won't always work, but it's worth a shot and better than nothing.
     
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    I had good intentions when I bullshitted to the cops.

    I was home on a Saturday night , having a quiet night watching the television telecast of the football , my team was playing.
    I then hear six very loud BANGS , one after another spaced out by about half - one second intervals, that seemed to be coming from a bit further down the street.

    Now I didn't dare go outside as we have external lights with sensors that switch them on when they detect movement.
    So, if some nutcase was out in the street letting off shots , I didn't want to have the said nutter spot me out.

    What also came to mind is that the weekend before there had been a shooting some two blocks up the street relating to some sort of ethnic family rivalries etc.

    First I tried calling two local police stations direct .... no answer.
    I then called the Emergency line 000 and reported what I had heard and left my details.

    Some 15 minutes later the police called me back and asked me to go over the details.
    They explained that they hadn't heard any other reports and hadn't had any other calls ; so I guess it was just someone pranking by letting off fireworks.

    I've had no experience with firearms so I think my mistake is excusable.
     
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    I'm going to keep this short since I don't want to get into the pissing contest that this thread is on the verge of turning into, but...

    In this case, the officers were (in my opinion), not in the wrong for going into the guy's house, based on the circumstances presented. They didn't root through his shit, they didn't boot down the door for a random search; they did it because there was the possibility, however remote, that there was someone being raped/murdered/whatevered in the house. I'm always in favor of informing and upholding the civil liberties of people who get fucked around by the law, but again, in this case, that's not what happened. Political views on marijuana aside, the guy was committing a felony and got nailed for it because the officers at the door wanted to make sure nobody was in any danger. They didn't boot the door down, throw the guys underwear around, cut the couch up, and toss him in the clink for a dime bag they found underneath a pair of socks. They walked in to make sure nobody was being hurt, opened a door, saw weed all of the place, and hauled him in for it.

    Here's a question to consider: if we heard in a week that they found body parts scattered around this property like confetti and it could have been prevented had the cops opted to search the house, who here would want to police crucified? In my experience, the people that hang the cops for doing what they did here are the same ones that would hang them if the outcome went as I described in my hypothetical scenario. There's just no winning. Humans as a whole are an imperfect species, so we just have to do the best we can.
     
  13. Volo

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    My fiancee's vibrator isn't illegal where I'm at so it's a moot point. Try again. And as for you rifling through my shit, fuck you. I trust the cops around here, and not a single one of the ones I've dealt with have ever given me reason not to. You, on the other hand, flew off the handle so fuckin' quickly I wouldn't even answer the door if you were being chased by wolves.

    Yeah, you see a ton of TV news about how badly the citizens are being fucked by the long arm the law, tasers here, brutality there, but that seems to be all you see. They sure as hell aren't perfect, but they aren't all fuckin' villains either. I won't pretend to know what rural life is like concerning law enforcement, but don't paint them all to look like demons wearing badges, and don't step on my shit just because I support them.

    That being said, you want to hate them, for whatever reason you choose, that's your right. Just don't waltz in here and bash me like I'm the fuckin' problem. The fuckin' problem is that they have to work within a system that restrains them in such ways as to prevent them from being of any use.

    And really? What are the chances of that happening, out of the blue? Give me a number, give me a statistic, anything.

    Yeah, there are some shitty cops out there that fuck around and look out only for #1, you aren't going to get any argument from me there. But I'm sure as fuck not going to label them just because they're behind a badge. Some people seem to expect the police not to assume the worst about a person, not to follow blind prejudice in the line of duty, but then turn around and do the same fucking thing! Doing that wouldn't make me any fuckin' better than any of them, and while this attitude of mine might cost me in the future, I sleep soundly at night knowing the odds are well in my favor.

    I didn't say I enjoyed being searched, or that I enjoyed having to spend hours of my time dealing with shit like that. And I do value my privacy, indeed. However, if I'm asked to comply with some cops then that's exactly what I'm going to do. I do not fuck with the police. I don't stand there like a fuckin' tool arguing my rights against a man who has a gun at his hip, a taser on his belt, hand-to-hand combat training and the fucking government on his side. I co-operate with him, and every time I've done so, no charges were laid, no beatings were taken, no possessions went missing, no problems at all.

    As for what's scarier, the answer is obvious. Problem with your question is that any law-enforcement agency in Canada and the U.S is a bureaucracy, which means paperwork, and everything's going to be on file. An search, or any arrest is going to be public record which doesn't make it sound much like the secret police. I mean, yeah, one could make the argument that they don't have to report everything, but that would require an entire fuckin' division, or agency, or otherwise large group of like-minded officers who aren't going to sell each other out at a moment's notice.

    You weren't bullshitting at all. You made an honest mistake. No harm, no foul.

    RE-FOCUS The sentence this guy was given is overly harsh. A fuckin' decade for a non-violent crime is way beyond what was necessary.
     
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    You aren't white by any chance, are you?

    I also feel compelled to point out that the reason you have your rights is to defend you against those people with tasers, weapons, training and the government on their side. The only thing that makes you a tool here is not arguing for your rights, no matter what kind of show of force is made. If you don't have to talk to the police, if you don't have to let them into your house, then you don't fucking have to.
     
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    I'm a métis.
     
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    I was with you until right here. Refusing a search is not being uncooperative, it's being assertive. Take for example, the man in this news story. Was nice and cooperative with the police, told them what had caused the screaming to come from his house, but then he thinks he has to go the extra mile and let them walk around through his place. Bad idea for him, since he clearly had something to hide. Just because the cops have guns doesn't mean you have to do everything they say.*

    If they want to search for a good reason, that's fine. Similar to you, I have nothing to hide, and if loud sex screams had recently come from my apartment and cops showed up to check it out, I'd probably let them walk around the place real quick to put their minds at ease and because it's easier for me. But if they show up for no apparent reason and ask to look around, I'm not going to let them as a matter of course, and from the response in this thread it seems most people think you shouldn't either.

    *Well, if push comes to gun in the face you kinda do, but at least if you tried to assert your rights you'll have a leg to stand on in court.
     
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    My sophomore year of college we had a neighbor who called the cops on us for having people over at 11pm on a Saturday. The walls were paper thin, so I guess I get that it bothered her, but what the fuck? She refused to talk to us about it too. She just kept calling the cops. By the sixth time (yes, you read that right) the cop would just show up, knock on the door saying he had to make the report, and leave.

    I've run into cops for so many stupid reasons it's unbelievable, but in all but two cases they were perfectly reasonable.
     
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    Well said, and upon reading my reply again I realize that I need to be a bit more discriminating about the circumstances under which I allow the police to enter and search my home.

    So I would like to amend my previous statement a bit

    "I do not fuck with the police if they have a good reason to be searching my home/car/person."

    Makes far more sense than my first go at logic.
     
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    Oh, honey. You honestly don't see anything....off.....about what I've bolded? No? Well, I don't mind explaining, so sit tight and let Mommy PinkCup inform you about your Fourth Amendment rights.

    Police officers can ask you to comply with a lot of things that you aren't required by law to comply with.

    --"I need to search your glove compartment and trunk. Unlock them for me." (No sir. I'm going to need to see a warrant for those areas before I can consent to a search of those areas.)

    --"I need to check your home, room by room, to make sure that you aren't harboring any fugitives/victims." (Are there any exigent circumstances? Oh, you just want to search for shits and giggles/because I'm black and of a poor economic class? No, sir. I'm going to require a warrant before I allow you into my home.)

    --"I'm gonna have to ask you (female) to step aside and allow me (male) to pat you down in order to make sure you aren't concealing anything on your person." (Is there a female officer on duty that can perform the pat-down instead? She's in the next room? If you could go and get her, that'd be great, thanks.)

    --"If you just admit to killing Mr. Jones, I can talk to the judge and reduce your sentence. Just admit it, son." (Can you ACTUALLY reduce my sentence just by "talking" to a judge? No, no you can't. I'm going to keep my mouth shut and wait for a deal on paper before I even consider speaking to you.

    Those are only a few examples, but there are many more that easily come to mind. In all of the above scenarios, would it have been easier to comply with the officer wearing "....a gun at his hip, a taser on his belt, hand-to-hand combat training and the fucking government on his side..."? Yes, it would be. Compliance is almost always the easier path, especially if you think you're doing/have done nothing wrong. But why the fuck are you assuming that being politely non-compliant equals being a "...fuckin' tool..."?!?!?! And why the fuck are you assuming that the positive outcomes you've experienced with police officers ("...no charges were laid, no beatings were taken, no possessions went missing, no problems at all...") have anything whatsoever to do with your compliance? Your positive outcomes with the police have nothing to do with your compliance and everything to do with your lawful activities.

    Your stance seems to be something along the lines of 'Well, I'm an upstanding citizen and I have nothing to hide. Let 'em search my shit while I shoot the shit. We'll shake hands afterwards and all will be jolly in America if everyone follows my lead! Rocking the boat is for anarchist tools!" But in reality, you are well within your rights to be non-compliant with such a request from a police officer. He/she will not think less of you for exercising your right to be non-compliant--and, if he/she does...does it really matter? Having exercised your right to see a warrant before complying with certain police requests doesn't mean that you're going to be singled out for unfair treatment from there on out within the law enforcment community...but you sure are implying that it is a rightful consequence for those who don't comply.

    The laws protecting citizens? Yeah, they weren't put in place to protect the guilty. I find it very alarming that you've somehow received the impression that exercising your rights during a law enforcement encounter will somehow net you a negative outcome. Who do you think benefits from such an impression being widely circulated and endorsed? If your answer isn't wearing a badge and carrying a gun, you need to take a long and hard look at why you're upholding personal transparency in lieu of civil liberty.

    EDIT: HAHAHA, it gets even better.

    What, my dear, makes you think that a police officer will ADMIT to not having excellent reasons for searching your home/car/person? If you can find an officer that will full-out tell you "You know, sir, I just wanted to take a peek at your bathroom medicine cabinet. I really don't have a good reason for it, just plain curious!" instead of "I smelled marijuana from the road" then I'll suck your dick topless and post pictures of it on the Boobie Thread.*


    *I wouldn't. But you won't be able to find an officer that will ever cop to having less-than-good reasons for wanting to search your shit, so you won't ever get to take me up on it anyhow.
     
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    That's because you're their little bitch. They're called your RIGHTS for a reason.