meanwhile there's some poor mechanic that was just hoping to get props for tying a fancy knot instead of an overhand knot on a bight and calling it a day
You aren't seeing anything that can be mistaken as a hate symbol in the posted photo because that is the after shot with the end of the rope cut off
Picture of the offending door rope last year: Video of a walkthrough of Talladega garages with half a dozen of the same 'noosed' garage pulls. People are seeing phantoms.
so apparently that movie "Cracka" is actually an Amazon series I have no clue who thought this was a good idea, other than jeff bezos because it'll get him more money and fuck you that's why.
yup. That would be exactly what they look like. Looks like they followed the wikihow (complete with pictures and video!) Someone just made a very unfortunate mistake. Kinda funny actually how bad that mistake was. No one to blame, no real mistakes by anyone other than the little whoopsies in choice of knots.
I've been around cars and shops my entire life and I've never heard the term, even in the south. It was always a "Door pull" if anything.
Nooses seem to be far more effective at invoking imaginary rather than real racism lately. Still, the show of solidarity was really nice, I thought. Unfortunate it was over something so ridiculous.
It may have been an overreaction and not a noose at all. But, I fucking love the show of support the drivers and crews displayed for Bubba the day after. That part was genuine, and I think he felt the support. Had more diaplays like that been made, and had more people stood up years ago to not allow the KKK to make the Confederate flag into a symbol of hate, then maybe it could still be around as simply a historical thing.
Y'all. I know I am late to the party, but I think there is something I need to say. This place is WHITE. AS. FUCK. and one of the reasons is because when people who aren't white take the time and energy to explain how things are racist or what people of color experience, they get belittled and shut down and minimized. That is super shitty. It is something that I've seen happen over and over again, to Nom in ye olden days, and to JJ now. It is something that I have experienced as a woman on this board trying to talk about sexism. JJ, thanks for continuing to beat your head against this wall, I hope people start appreciating your voice here more. Also maybe just stop tying ropes like nooses unnecessarily because the noose is absolutely a racist symbol in our culture.
Nah, it's when we get called racist just for being white, like you just did, that I say "yep, fuck that." Go figure. You're not "educating", you're judging and belittling us. And ignoring us. "You're white so you're guilty." We're all agreeing, as far as I can see, that shit isn't right... and that it needs to change... but how you think the way you're going about it is at all effective, empathetic, or reasonable, makes me sad. And just like Nom, you have no answers. I ask, "what can I do?" And you scream "you're racist because you're white! You don't understand! You've never experienced it!" "What can I do, right now, to make things better?" And again, I get no answer. "JJ, thanks for continuing to beat your head against this wall".... sure, or, maybe, help by explaining to us what we can do, other than sit here and get shit on for the colour of our skin. Not our actions... just the colour of our skin. Or when batshit crazy statements are made, like "Asians can't be racist". We're just supposed to accept that as fact, when real world experience, from around the world, has plainly shown otherwise? And when all is said and done, it makes me not take you, as an individual, seriously. Go figure. And the only person you have to blame is yourself.... as much as you will refuse to believe that. You will blame us, because we're racists, and don't "get it"... There is a huge problem... and it needs to be addressed. It needs to be fixed, somehow, but I don't have a magic cure. But please... tell me right now something... just ONE thing that I can do, right now, that will help things get better. Other than "stop tying nooses"... because that's just retarded. Because you know, that's what all of us white folk do on our days off, sit around and tie nooses. The fact that you think you have to say that shit here, to us, again makes me feel sad for you. I can honestly say that the one and only time I ever tied a noose, it was after seeing the movie Hang Em High, with Clint Eastwood, when I was a kid in the early 70's. We barely had TV, had no internet, and played outside for 16 hours a day. We just watched a movie where the hero got hung as an innocent white guy, survived, and then became the marshal seeking vengeance. And then again when we learned in school about the Black Donnellys, from my home town, who got hung in public after going on a murder rampage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Donnellys Again, all white, nothing racist about it. And decades ago. And literally the last time, until the NASCAR story, that I ever even thought of a noose. But sure... I'll stop tying them. Done. Glad to! Sign me up! Going strong on not tying nooses for 40+ years now! Sorry if that's not long enough, but don't worry, I'll keep not tying nooses for years to go yet. But, as long as we're talking about black people in racing, you may be interested in an amazing documentary done by Chasis Media (Adam Carolla's documentary company). It's called "Uppity", and it is about Willy T Ribbs... the first black NASCAR driver. (And before you go nuts on the title, be aware that Willy himself fought to have it called that, as a "fuck you" to the movie awards people). I helped finance that documentary to the tune of $500 to help get that story made, because it was something that I was moved by, and wanted to see told, and part of the funds went to help other racers of colour.
I think there's some level of national difference at play here. I wouldn't necessarily expect nooses to have the same connotation in Canada that they do in the United States. Hanging was a common method of lynching in the United States, particularly and especially in the South, and these lynchings had a very strong racial component. The KKK was responsible for more than 400 lynchings in the years immediately after the civil war, and over the next century more than 4,500 lynchings followed (of which ~75% had black victims) from various perpetrators. These lynchings were done to keep sharecroppers in line, to keep blacks from voting, and for other highly political purposes. They were acts of terrorism. Hanging a noose on a black man's property is a very well understood threat in the United States. The ADL lists it as a hate symbol here, and shows some examples of modern imagery using it for that purpose.
This will be my last post on race. If you want to help minorities, then you need to listen to them when they speak. And I'm not talking about myself. Read stuff like this https://www.thenation.com/article/society/white-people-anti-racism/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danabr...ble-truths-black-colleagues-need-you-to-know/ Seriously, all a person needs to do is google "what can white people do to help stop racism". There are loads of articles from tons of people of color who have taken the time to write out their perspectives. The hardest part of all this is not being defensive, using every empathetic muscle in your body and keeping your mind open. I honestly hope everyone sees this as an opportunity, if not for personal growth, then at least making the world a better place for everyone else.
We are familiar. Back in the 70’s, Two miles down the road from my neighbourhood a Nazi lived in a mansion with two-foot thick concrete walls, murder holes, gun turrets, an escape tunnel and he regularly hosted klan rallies in his backyard. Not a neo-Nazi, but a NAZI nazi. His backyard was regularly mowed to look like a giant swatztika. He was completely known to everyone in the area and advertised his beliefs proudly to everyone including the press. VERY proudly: ...maybe someone should have told him he used the symbol of Buddhism instead of the Third Reich.The house was torn down a month ago. Demolition crews had a HELL of a time destroying the bomb-proof walls. There was a old saying here in town: “If your car breaks down on Gainsborough Road, don’t go to the house with the Nazi shit all over it for help.”
I understand the cultural significance... and yet here I am being told to stop tying nooses. Should I just bow my head and accept the fact that I'm guilty of tying nooses and perpetuating a cultural racist symbol? Why can I not say, "hey, I agree, that is abhorrent, but at the same time I'm not approving of never mind actually doing that"? Look... I get it. I really do. Shit is bad, and needs to change, and a whole bunch of people have gone through some absolutely terrible shit in their lives as a result. For generations. I hear that. I agree with that. I can't fully appreciate that, just like I can't imagine what it is like for a mother to lose her child... but I'm doing what I can to empathize. I want it to change, and we seem to be at a tipping point that is helping that happen. I'm not belittling or dismissing anyone's experiences... I'm actively asking you to share it so we can help learn and listen. All I ask is that you treat me with a little bit of respect and common sense, and not blindly throw accusations at me just because I'm white. We need to start treating each other as the individuals that we are... who we are, how we treat other people... not based on the colour of our skin. NOBODY should be judged by the colour of their skin. NOBODY. If anyone thinks otherwise, then I honestly believe they are part of the problem. Full stop. There's no "getting even for history", or balancing the scales. There's just "do everything you can to treat everyone equally". And if you think that me standing up for myself when a line is crossed is "racist", then I really don't know what to say, other than "please don't be defensive, try using every empathetic muscle in your body and keeping your mind open."
No one here is unwilling to listen or help institute changes to make world a more equitable place. But coming at people with the “guilty until proven innocent” mentality is never, ever going to work. Nom was straight-up anti-white. As soon as he was called out on it and his bullshit was questioned, he took his ball and went home. That’s not someone who is open to dialogue; it’s someone who wants to perform a browbeating. That sucks and I wish him well in life, but that mentality is frankly unacceptable. JJ is not like that whatsoever and is far more reasonable. You can wax on all you want about a power-imbalance dynamic in society that makes one racism worse than the other, but on a micro, personal level that doesn’t mean a whole lot. So as Nett said, tell us how we can help, show us what we can vote for and the changes we can make. Just don’t treat me as the enemy when I’m trying to be an ally.
I can only speak for me, but I really don't care how white, or not white this board is. It might surprise you since I have so little sympathy for the SJW type crap, but I'm probably one of the most multicultural people posting on here. I don't need to come to this board to engage with non-white people. Also, I don't have minorities trying to dump a load of shit on me for being white in my offline life. I have to come here for that. If you want to have an 'honest conversation' with people then have it. Throwing fits at people when no here is pro racism in the first place is a piss poor way to have that conversation. Beyond that, what Nett and Juice said.
As much as racism caused some disparities I do think acting as if calling out racism is a good solution can be really misguided. In an area like the justice system that makes some sense, but when it comes to something like black/white economic disparity I don't get what that is supposed to accomplish at this point. Economic mobility out of the lower class is pretty low right now across the board, so if we're going to try to tackle black poverty with 'racial awareness' rather than fiscal policy I really doubt we'll be seeing great strides made any time soon. That's the thing with the educate whitey crowd to me. I'm happy to be a good student, but come to me with a better plan than "Acknolwedge your white privledge!" because reminding me that I'm white isn't going to solve shit.
There's a lot of talk about "conversation" and "dialogue" online and on television, but the prevailing attitude seems to be, "White people need to sit down and shut up." That's not dialogue, that's a lecture, and I'm far too old to be lectured. You want to have an honest conversation, a real back and forth, then I am all ears. But you need to be as well. I may just have some questions you're able to answer. But otherwise, I'm tuning you right out.