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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Juice

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    Has anyone brought up Alex Jones being banned from social media and Apple? In a move that surprises no one, people are already clamoring for others to be banned as well.
     
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    I don't remember anybody bringing it up. I think he's an idiot. But, David Duke has a Twitter page. Free speech and social media is a weird thing. Because they are private entities, but have become public news aggregators. Fox News channel was born out of one-sided news coverage, so I guess somebody will try to popularize the all hate social platform. (Hatebook?) There's apparently an audience for it. It always amazes me that that kind of overt bigotry and intolerance continues to persist. I don't get that kind of hate.
     
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    I think Jones is a special anomaly that deserves banning due to the fact his brand of reporting is honestly bordering on terrorism these days. He encites violence and hate, he knows a good percentage of his viewers take him seriously, and continues to pull his petty bullshit, now demanding the authority to dox every single parent involved in Sandy Hook. He’s harmful for people’s lives.

    However if we go just banning everyone we don’t like now, everyone who says something “in poor taste” it’s a slippery slope.....as we’ve already seen, again and again.
     
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    I think this brings us back to the discussion of regulating some of these tech companies. Which I don't really agree with. I understand that abridging free speech is a real problem but these are private platforms and this is their product; they have every right to determine what goes and what doesn't. Ideally, free speech will win out and people will choose other sources for their news, hurting these entities bottom lines to the point where they change course. In all likelihood, groups will just further self-segregate and, of all people, Alex fucking Jones will be held up as a martyr for the cause of free speech.
     
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    Yeah, because actual terrorism websites and others that incite violence and hate continue on. I don't think the Charlottesville stuff happened by being coordinated through Alex Jones' social media platforms.
     
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    This is the problem with free speech. It's great 99% of the time, and then the 1% have to ruin by spouting off nonsense.
     
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    I think it has a chance of backfiring on them kind of like what happened when CloudFlare pulled the plug on the Daily Stormer. It's one thing to shrug your shoulders and claim that your policy is to remain hands-off, but once you make that first exception it's impossible to put that genie back into the bottle.
     
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    I think Alex Jones is an asswipe, but I wouldn’t be as concerned if Senators like Chris Murphy weren’t already demanding others are banned as well for “extreme viewpoints.” And surprise surprise, he also wants to take guns away. Not just gun control; he does not want private ownership of firearms, period.

    Shocking that Jack Dorsey is the only one with some balls in this case, given his past history.
     
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    I’m not talking about Charlottesville. But it was his followers who threatened (and were jailed) for threatening Sandy Hook victims, as well as that Pizzagate shooting. He knows he’s a liar, he knows the people who listen to Infowars are stupid and reactionary lowlifes, and he won’t own up that what he’s saying is bushit. Instead he says it’s the truth while intentionally jabbing them with a sharp stick. All for the sake of lining his pockets, and he has no accountability for any of it.
     
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    Seconded. I always regarded him as the most bias social justice pussy in Silicon Valley. And considering the lame, harmless shit he’s auto-banned from twitter in the last three years this comes as a big surprise.
     
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    If by having balls you mean knows his company's valuation is propped up by untold numbers of fake accounts and is terrified of anything that might lead that house of cards to collapse.
     
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    Didn't mean to imply you were talking about Charlottesville - just that there are other, terrible people, spewing terrible nonsense on the same platforms that pulled Jones. It's curious that they chose him. He's an idiot lowlife liar and all those things you suggested, but he's not the only one of those with a Twitter account.
     
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    Yes, but he mostly refuses to acknowledge that those things are happening, which he wouldn't be able to do with a high profile case like this.

    There's also the fact that twitter would be the easiest of the major social media sites to clone, and that president Trump could immediately make a competitor viable by jumping ship. YouTube, Facebook, and Spotify have significantly higher barriers to entry for an upstart competitor.
     
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    I don't think it'd be easy at all... for a number of reasons, and not just technically.

    Sure, it might be easier than making another Facebook, but that doesn't mean it could realistically be cloned successfully.
     
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    Twitter's main technical challenge is the scale at which it operates, and if all you need to host is the President's insane rambling and a bunch of Russian agitprop boosters, there's no scale issue at play. Easy peasy.
     
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    And you're wrong.

    The main technical challenge is in the targeted marketing and business analytics that they do... the shit normal users don't see, but businesses pay money for. That is the revenue stream.

    The normal end-user interaction/app is fairly trivial to pull off at scale these days. Sure, back then they had to develop a ton of in-house, specialty tools to do the scaling thing, but with Google Cloud and AWS managed "serverless" technologies, it's trivial to do these days... especially with their "eventually consistent" data requirements.
     
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    They’ve made a decent turnaround in the last two quarters. They made over $700M in Q2 alone, hardly a house of cards anymore.

    After what happened with Milo, I don’t blame him for walking back from that position, especially if his company is making money now. But I don’t think anyone is in a position to discern motivations other than what he claims.
     
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    I'll rephrase: the main challenge that twitter has solved is scaling. Their targeted marketing and business analytics offerings are weak compared to other channels available to marketers, at least that's what I've been told by the marketing folks I've worked with who engage with these platforms.
     
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    Their adoption, ubiquitious integration, and branding are the biggest hurdles any competitor has to overcome, assuming someone of similar size doesn’t try.

    You could have the best BI toolset on the planet, but if nobody has heard of or are using you, it ain’t worth shit.
     
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    I mean yeah, but we're discussing an absurd hypothetical in which "twitter, but like, really racist" is a viable enough business on its own that the only remaining hurdles are technical.