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Bigger, stronger, faster

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Revengeofthenerds, May 11, 2011.

  1. lhprop1

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    It's also been shown that Andro pretty much only had placebo effects. That's like saying drinking magic kool-aid was making him strong. Trust me, it wasn't the Andro.
     
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    Well the FDA seems to have a difference of opinion.
     
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    The FDA is stupid. It should be banned because it's bad shit, but not because it's a steroid. Andro actually raised estrogen levels. You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to know elevated estrogen levels are no bueno for building muscle.

    <a class="postlink" href="http://www.rxlist.com/androstenedione/supplements.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.rxlist.com/androstenedione/supplements.htm</a>
    <a class="postlink" href="http://www.androcycle.com/was-andro-effective-%E2%80%93-remaking-andro-in-2010/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.androcycle.com/was-andro-eff ... o-in-2010/</a>

     
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    Likely ineffective.... that has me totally convinced.

    I stand corrected
     
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    I can't speak for steroids, because I don't care much about sports, but as for "performance enhancing medications," I think in our pill-inundated culture, who cares?

    Use the tools that help you get ahead. I don't think people should live with crippling personality traits if there is help available for it, just because there is some stigma attached. I have seen people who smoke heavily look at me askance because I take a Xanax, and people who get wasted every night wrinkle their noses at my pain medication (which, coincidentally, is for pain, not recreation). Whatever helps people get through the day helps them get through the day, I don't see a reason for people to be flinging judgments at each other over it.
     
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    Bigger, Faster, Stronger is a great doc. Highly recommended.

    The world would be a better place if everyone had to take psilocybin mushrooms just once in their lives.

    The majority of modern mental maladies were created by advertising agencies and drug manufacturers.
     
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    I have taken my share of narcotics over the years, its no secret. Steroids are fucking poison that turn your body into a walking septic tank and I would never touch them. The price you pay for temporary vanity is painful beyond words: from the pleasure of crippling depression with suicidal tendencies to the wonderful journey of utter psychosis. The biggest assholes I have ever met in my life are juice users. Insufferable, macho jagoffs whose faces are slowly turning into old cather's mitts from this shit eating away at them.

    Sure, some find that "right balance". Is it worth the risk? FUCK NO. Stay away from this shit, kids.

    As far as Human Growth Hormone goes I know not too much, but the actual name of it really blows up my skirt. WHERE do you get human growth hormone? From humans. Do they have some alien suck it out of you like in Lifeforce or something?
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    Honestly? If I could get HGH or Testosterone from a regulated pharmacy at a reasonable price, I would be delighted to take both. I already take a daily dose of amphetamines from my reasonably priced and quality controlled regulated pharmacy - and I balance the dose with the advice of my doctor and careful consideration of results and side effects. Adults with medical issues do it all the time - I really don't see the problem.

    I suspect that if we created seperated leagues for sports and allowed the open use of steroids and amphetamines in one, and required 100% natural, no artificial assistance allowed, the all natural league would rate about as well as women's field hockey.

    99.999% of people don't actually give a fuck. No matter what they say or how outraged they get at the idea, given a choice between the dynamic and exciting league of super humans who are about to explode from artificial enhancements, and as nature intended regular people - the vast and overwhelming majority of the audience will go watch the juicers because they'll put on the better show. We don't actually give a fuck about the legitimacy of the contest beyond ensuring that it's not fixed in a way that voids our gambling - we all just want the spectacle.
     
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    Alt Focus: For me, personally, I've yet to take a drug that improves the quality of my work; it just improves the speed I can deliver it. Without caffeine, I wouldn't meet a single academic deadline in my life. I'm OK with taking it to cope with my excessive need for sleep (10 hours a night) and insane ability to procrastinate. As far as Adderall or something like that, I've never tried it. It's weird the kind of scruples I have about this, but I feel that whatever work I produce on that (just like any sort of paper I wrote while drunk) would not be my best, and would lack something that makes my work essentially mine.

    At the same time, I am guilty of taking substances to lubricate my social life. On the few occasions I tried it, Xanax proved to be one of the few things that can stop that annoying stress-fueled worry in my head. Without alcohol, I'd probably be even more of a depressive than I am. Some people see that kind of self-medication as a step over the line, but I feel that I've got a handle on it - I know the level that I need to behave like a goddamn normal human being, and I try to stay within that limit.

    And I wish someone had given me HGH when I was 12, maybe I would be taller than 5'3".
     
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    Given that Frylock mentioned Ritalin etc in his original post, I'll assume this is on topic although it's less about steroids and more about 'study aids'. I'm a confident public speaker, I enjoy the adrenalin boost of performing and I'm generally good at it. However, I also socialize, drink, and drug, more than is probably safe or reasonable. Consequently, any time I have to give a presentation and I'm running on limited sleep or hungover, dexamphetamine (Ritalin equivalent for the Americans) is my go to solution. I can deliver a high energy speech, rather than inflicting awkward pauses on my audience while my brain tries to marshal its injured cells into performing. I've never thought of this as a moral dilemma at all.

    Same deal with churning out papers in Uni. I never thought of it as an unfair advantage to pop a couple and blaze through a 10,000 word essay on patriarchal discourse in advertising in 4 hours. If I thought about it at all, I guess I regarded it as an efficient way to meet the moronic demands of an infantile course, not as a cheating in a competition with other students.

    Oddly enough, the only time I think use of ADD meds is unfair is during drinking competitions. They more than double your drinking capacity (if you don't mind alcohol poisoning, possible hospitalization, and a hangover that will last for days), and when we used to do such stupid things as drinking competitions, its the only explanation I have for certain friends turning from toucan sams into Slash-esque drinking machines. That used to irritate me pretty badly, as there was usually $200 or so on the line, which is a lot for poor Uni students.

    So, if what you are using gives you an advantage over direct competitors? Bullshit cheating. If its just something which benefits you at no harm to anyone else, I have no problems at all. I realize this very neatly rationalizes my own preferences, but it seems ethically sound to me.
     
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    Alt-Focus: One semester in college I popped ephedrine (legal, at least at the time) and drank coffee and energy drinks about three times a week to study, the stuff made me super focused and lasted for around 5-6 hours. I was a fucking machine and aced Organic Chem while maintaining strong partying and video game habits, a few of the people I hung out with went on academic probation that semester and most barely skated by in classes, and these were mostly business majors.

    The stuff had its side effects though, if I pounded enough caffeine on top of it I would get some crazy shakes. Near the end of the semester I tried to buckle myself in to my desk chair before starting to study, I realized then that it was time to cut back. Fast forward to today and I probably average about 2-3 cups of coffee a month, I can see how that shit can be addicting though.
     
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    A few years ago, one of the local high schools had a scandal in which several of the football players were busted for using steroids (vet variety being sold by farmer boys). The only other schools that chimed in about it were the ones that haven't seen the playoffs in decades, suggesting that use is far more rampant than just one school. Texas football mentality.

    Anytime this subject comes up though, I immediately recall the pictures of Lyle Alzado that circulated prior to his death (at 43).

    And speaking of pictures, just when you thought Carrot Top couldn't get any creepier:

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    I love this argument. You know, the rules of Baseball also do not provide that it is illegal to take a handgun and shoot the first baseman so you can reach on a single. So you know, the rules of Baseball do not supersede federal laws, as much as Bud Selig wishes otherwise. These guys were committing crimes, and why they should be rewarded is beyond me. They cheated, they should be taken out of any record books or consideration for the hall of fame.

    Cheating is cheating is cheating. It's really not a tough call here. They were doing something to obtain an unnatural advantage, pure and simple. It violated federal law, so I really don't see how it's ok because the rules of baseball didn't prohibit it.
     
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    What's that you say? You're a graduate of law school that didn't enjoy the harsh realities of practicing law outside the comfort of a classroom? Shocking.
     
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    I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. While I didn't enjoy a lot of practicing law, I never felt like I had to 'cheat' in order to be successful as an attorney. Were there cutthroat attorneys that I dealt with on occasion? Sure. In every profession there are people that are willing to bend the rules in order to obtain some advantage, however, I don't think law, or any other profession, requires such a bending of the rules in order to do it successfully.

    If that's what you're getting at, or maybe you're just being snarky. Hard to tell.
     
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    I'd really like to hear what you think constitutes an unnatural advantage vs. a natural one.
     
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    This.

    Your ego disappears and you gain an understanding on life from a totally different perspective. Not to sound like a hippy, but everyone needs to try it, if for no other reason than to experience the giant reset button on life.
     
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    I fully agree. I've done mushrooms once and I hated it because the trip lasted for 8 hours. However, I do remember the feeling of seeing things through other people's perspectives. At no point in time did I once think about myself or how something affected me. It was a rather neat feeling...that I never want to feel again.