I mean two women both had their hand up one guys ass and one girl started laughing and said 'OMG she's shaking my hand' - now my hand wasn't in the guys ass or anything - so I can't tell you the details of how the hand grip worked. But yes, double anal fisting is really possible. No you don't need to wear a diaper or tampon afterward (in most cases). That said - I completely don't get the whole huge insertions thing, let alone double fisting, much less fucking double anal fisting. Even though it's not my orifice being stretched, I might want that later. And if I do, I'm not gonna want it all stretched out. Counter fucking productive.
In my experience, the men asking for this fall into the "females are superior" line of thinking, and wish not only to be rendered dickless, but wish it done by someone (preferably female) who will belittle and humiliate them while doing in, and view the act as one of self sacrifice and dedication. Most would actively wish an ongoing relationship, but there are a few who would not think it possible, as they have debased themselves long and hard enough to see themselves as truly unworthy of the ongoing attention. When approached with such requests by otherwise seemingly intelligent and well rounded, fully functioning men, I often have long conversations with them, as I find the entire thing fascinating. But I'm no closer to understanding the mindset that would see someone permanently do away with their own pleasure to prove themselves a worthy servant. It's not typical, but it's not unheard of, either. I do it the other way round, too- when my brain gets overwhelmed with sensation when I am bottoming, I giggle uncontrollably. This one is a little more common- I know a half dozen people who will do similar occasionally as a response to pain. I have synthesia- its a neurological condition that causes my senses to misfire and express themselves backwards- I see many sounds as colours in my head, for example. I think this is who I giggle so readily at inappropriate times- I'm simply overloading and things short circuit a little. I do the St John's ambulance course every few years. Most events have someone on hand who is certified, and there are even a few dr's and nurses in the local scene. But events generally occur in major city centres- help is always just an ambulance away. In the decade that I have been doing this, I have only sen one accident requiring more then basic first aid that could be administered quickly right on spot- and that was someone breaking a leg while getting out of a hottub. Safety is such a paramount concern to most players that if anything, they are overly cautious. we've all read things, or heard them on the news- but thats always from people playing at home without backup or safety measures in place. Publicly, it's much more difficult to cause harm- because so many others are wathcing and will see the danger and intervene if necessary. We do this all the time. I work as a "greeter" for a prominant perve website, and send introduction mails to people who sign up in my area- it includes a list of upcoming fetish events for our area for the next month, as well as an invitation to join us for a cup of coffee beforehand if they are nervous about the idea of attending solo. As dungeon monitor at one of the regular clubs here, part of what we do is show the newcomers around the club, and introduce them to some regular friendly faces, making sure they settle in and are left chatting with a known group of people before leaving them alone. But really, the only way to become involved is to get offline and got out there, going to events.
What's the strangest object you've seen someone penetrated with? What do you do for a living? I'm in a giggle fit thinking you're a kindergarten teacher or an ice cream man.[/quote] As mentioned, I once had to call an ambulance for someone that slipped in a hottub and broke a bone. But serious injuries during public play is rare, as there are so many eyes watching, and likely to spot the danger before it gets serious. We have all hurt someone in an unintentional fashion- it's just part of the risk of what we do. I discovered a few years ago that most people have a bad reaction to the adhesive on duct tape. It's unfortunate that I discovered this while removing not only leg hair as I had intended, I also took off the top few layers of skin- enough so he bled. A lot. It did require medical help, and it had to be treated as a burn, requiring daily dressing changes for a few weeks. "wraparounds" are a little more common- whips, floggers, etc, can wrap unintentionally around someones side, around their arm, and so forth. when this happens, the tips of that toy hitting them are moving at tremendous speeds. They will leave much more serious welts/bruises, can split skin, can damage internal organs, and if hit in the face and cause serious damage to eyes. A jaggedly broken hockey stick. A mixmaster ( a handheld kitchen blender). A stuffed teddy bear style carrot. Admin/office-y stuff. Though we have thought a ice cream truck abduction scene could be interesting- two of the girls we play with are age players.
Now you mentioned them being "rendered dickless", and I originally thought it was usually just the balls that were taken off. Do the people you have met that are desirous of castration actually want the whole package gone? I did a little reading about this after scootah first mentioned it, and most of what I read suggested that it was merely the testicles that these people would have removed. In that light, I would have to think the whole never actually achieving an orgasm thing would have to play into it. One can feel arousal and pleasure, in whichever form that may come, yet it would be a prolonged pleasure without ever release. What you say contradicts that though. The only way I can make sense of the mindset necessary to do this would be a complete lack of any self worth and a whole lot of self deprecating tendencies. I mean like cutting your wrists times a million. In that light it's the ultimate control, as sex drives 99% percent of people, physically removing that may be a release. But then again, most of these people wish to forgo any control they have over life and submit to a mistress completely, so that notion doesn't add up either. Perhaps these people feel miserable in their own physical pleasure, due to whatever mental eccentricities that might exist, and instead wish to remove whatever drive towards that that might exist. You've basically said this already, but I'm just saying it again to try to process... So yeah, main question: Do they actually want the whole package gone?
Being that you are used to handling higher levels of sexual stimulation that most people , how would you handle sensory deprivation ?
Starting someone in kink is the same as starting them on different sexual positions, anal, etc. Slow and cautious, introduce it carefully and without pressure. Rent porn with a BDSM twist to see what things are interesting and what are definite no no's. It helps if their first foray into kink is not a serious/heavy night with a lot of edgy/scary play happening. A meet and greet evening, or a club known for light play, or a special "newbies" night are best for people who really just aren't sure. But honestly? This does not happen much anymore= the internet makes info so readily available that people often do a bunch of reading before hand and often have a scope of what they are getting themselves in for. Another thing we do with newcomers is have them go set up a free profile at bondage.com and fill out all of the very extensive checklists over there. They are the best we have seen, in that they cover most fetishes we've ever heard of- and some we had not- and also includes definitions of each. I've seen people flee from the premises terrified- but that's almost always due to a lack of education beforehand. Because I'm not here to provide you with wank fodder. I've never been pissed on, and at just over 5 foot myself, midgets don't seem that exotic.What else ya got? I think I'm a bit of an oddity. Outside of a few very select instances, when I top, I don't get a sexual thrill out of what I am doing. I top more then I bottom, but for me it is a simple amusement thing then a foreplay thing. I'm mostly just amused that the bottom is daft enough to let me push a metal rod in his urethra. It does not turn me on. It's just funny. Control over someone gives me a little thrill, but I still would not really call it a turn on. And I've played with people who chose to have no safeword- so it's not just "pretend" control then. As a bottom, however, the thrill is always mixed up with the element of control- and not having it. I don't bottom to other people- I trust Scootah, but no longer play control games where someone other then him is the Top. I like to fight a little, but then I love it when he wins. I hate pain, but then I love his reaction to my pain, so I wind up getting turned on by it despite myself. It's a real headfuck.
If memory serves one of you all knew a guy who was slowly having his dick cut in two lengthwise. He ever finish that and, also, what's up with that?
BDSMers are not rapists, child molesters or dog fuckers. Kinksters are not desperate- most are pretty picky about who they play with. Most S&Mers do not swing. Expand on this some more- what do you mean by unconventional sex? much of what we do does not include sex, so I need to know where you are coming from to answer this. We play with two age players. Neither of them sustained abuse as a child, and had normal happy childhoods. I do have a background of childhood sexual abuse. It does not drive what I am - or what I am not as a kinkster. This is probably going to confuse some people here, but I'm not an ageplayer myself- I only use the "little girl" voice with Scootah when I want my own way and know I will need to wrap him around my little finger to get it. Perhaps even more confusing is that Scootah is my Daddy- not my Master, Sir, Top, etc. Daddy. for the record, my abuse was not perpetrated by my father, and he and I have a healthy relationship. For us, Daddy is more about a protector role then a come sit on daddys lap while he puts his hand under your skirt kinda thing. Though the latter might be appealing as role play, as well! The internet is a wonderful tool.We have done an around the world perve tour, we stopped in 18 cities in 5 countries, and we stayed in a hotel only once- spending the rest of the time with other kinksters we know form online fetish sites. We did not do a fetish bar in Bangkok. I know of there are at least three such establishments open to the public there though- the "Barbar" , "Club Demonia" and the "Black Lotus". I vouch for none of them. London? Check out the website for "The London Fetish Scene"- their calendar lists events for the greater London area, as well as other places in the UK. Birmingham and Manchester have active fetish scenes, for example. If you want even more info on London, email me sometime- I used to live there and am familiar with pretty much every regular fetish event in the uk. Amsterdam's scene is a bit of a peculiarity. As prostitution is openly allowed and fully advertisable, there is a larger crossover- Dominants run private dungeons and advertise their services, while more often then not also include sex, as the usual taboo surrounding the mixing of the two does not occur. In such an open community, it probably just is not profitable to run a S&M club. Why would punters pay to go to a club where they can watch others play, when they can just pay to go private and have everything just as he wants it? But when you travel lots and are interested in kink, it's useful to be part of online fetish community websites like fetlife.com
I've not dated a non- fetishist for he last decade, with the exception of two one night things with girls- where the object was sex, not converting them to the ways of the whip. Frankly, dating on-kinsters seems like more work then it is worth- why would I bother when there are so many perverted types already out there and looking for a partner? Yes, though not often. Once or twice a year, E. About the same, Speed. And a little more frequently then that I'll steal one of Scootah's ritalin when we are pulling an all nighter- cause I am always the one stuck driving home in the morning while everyone else snores the whole way home. PETA? really? I'd boggle to think... I've been at an event in London that had some christian fundamentalist group picketing. The venue owner went out and offered them all free entry to the club, suggesting if they wanted to get their jollies jeering at the deviants, there were some submissives inside that would appreciate the degradation on a more face to face basis.They elected to remain outside and left shortly thereafter. But I've literally been to thousands of events on several continents, and that's the only incident I've ever seen. There is no general- it is pretty evenly split. Some people have jobs wherein it is important they keep their sex life separate- I know several primary school teachers, for instance. Scootah is currently pretty secretive and does not reveal where he works because his current placement is in a small hick town. I'm completely open, and have always had the leisure of being able to do so as my work is not the type that would have an issue with my extra curricular actives. Based on ~my ~ experience I am perfectly normal and do nothing out of the ordinary. Based on ~your~ experience? Yes, I guess I'm probably a little more out there then many readers of this message board. But asking we to quantify this is a little hard- for a decade now almost all of my friends have also been kinksters. So I've lost track of what is odd and what is normal.
Some crossovers here with Swingers clubs; -Don't touch anyone without express invitation. -Don't interrupt a play scene already in progress. If you want to ask questions, do so later when they are done, packed, and moved away from the play area. -Don't assume that a persons apparent role entitles you to any privileges. Telling an unknown submissive to fetch you a drink will at best get you ignored and at worse earn you a drink to the face. - If you are playing, and ignore your partners safeword, expect to be interrupted or tackled by onlookers. Safewords are sacrosanct. Likewise, if you are bottoming, don't misuse your safeword. Crying wolf will quickly see you lonely. Where to start? -Goreans (Gor is a fictional planet wherein women are slaves with few exceptions and are available for the use of all men, and a bunch of other wanky ideals) -Online doms who claim years of experience but have never held a flogger. -Female supremacists. Women who think all men beneath them. -Poachers. people who ignore obvious visual aids like collars to signify someone is "owned" and tries to force play on them anyhow. -Safty Nazis- often misinformed people for whom a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Often encouach on other peoples play to tell them what they are doing is wrong and unsafe, etc etc. -Judgemental arseholes. I don't care if what you see is not your kink- just look away. I've too often overheard someone berating other peoples play. People sometimes use contracts- either for a particular scene (such as an arranged negotiated kidnap scene) or for relationships(often called Master/slave contracts). They hold no legal weight, beyond shouwing a measure of knowlefge and at one time, consent. The problem is consent can be withdrawn in any point of the proceedings, and the contract can just as easily work to prove pre-meditated intent and be harmful instead of helpful. in most countries, the law says you cannot consent to acts of sadism. The reality is, there are very very few cases of prosecution. Safest bet is to keep records of emails or txt messages leading up to play, and stick to play in public clubs intil you know and trust your partner. Sex workers, when legalized have to follow stringent health tests and such in most countries. Dominatrix's generally try to operate outside of that scope, as most (not all) do not have sex with the client. It makes sense to try to operate outside of complex sex worker regulations.
When I've been approached (and this happens a couple of times each year), they generally want everything removed- castration and penectormy. The idea is to become completely neutered, sexless, blank. This is most prominent with men who have extensive exposure to the Female Supremacy brand of domination. They get to a point where they really do believe that their genitals mark them as "lesser then" and that they could serve better if they were rid of everything that marks them as male. Most have done extensive research beforehand and have discounted chemical castration as it is, in effect, temporary- it requires regular an ongoing injections, which once stopped, reverses the effect. Likewise, they reject partial castration- removal of only the testes- they generally want the whole she-bang removed. Some have thought things through so thoroughly that they want to keep the parts in preservative in a specimen jar, as eunechs used tthers have elaborate ceremonies planned to burn- even consume the removed portions. While it is unarguably fascinating, I still feel as though these men are psychologically damaged. There is some medical research that suggests many people with castration and penectomy fantasies may not be mentally damaged, but may constitute a "third sex", an as of yet largely unrecognized sexless third gender. India recognizes a third gender, and will preform the surgery for those that want it/pay for it. While I have great sympathy for people who feel they are born into a body that does not reflect them, that sympathy does not extend to a willingness to alter that body for them. And as interesting as the "third sex" argument is, submissive men who approach dominants for this do not feel they are born into the wrong body, do not feel they are sexless- rather, they want the ceremony of having that sex removed from them as an ultimate sacrifice to prove worth.
I was once part of a poly group- one married couple, then me and one single male. The wife and the single guy managed to fuck up the condom thing and she wound up pregnant. It was not kinky, it was not arranged play- but I once saw her squirt milk at her husband across a dinner table to shut him up when he would not stop mouthing off at her.
Is there usually a progression in what it takes to turn you on and get you off? Almost like a desensitization over time so you keep wanting things dirtier, kinkier with each session? Do you get to the point where just normal vaginal intercourse without roleplaying or sex toys doesn't do it for you anymore?
I know of it happening and I've seen people drink breast milk at parties once or twice. It's not a common part of the scene though and certainly not my thing. We don't see the guy all that often. But the girl who's doing the splitting is a good friend, and I haven't heard it's completed yet - so I assume no, not yet. It's still a work in progress. That guys got some pretty serious issues. Really nice guy, very intelligent and very cool - but functionally illiterate, incredibly phobic of flying and has serious issues about his genitalia. We've seen timber nails driven through his penis into a board and he's done some other pretty extreme shit while we're around. I don't really get where he's coming from - but I know from past conversations that he's pretty convinced that he really would be much happier if he was a guy with a vagina. Where that shit comes from? I've got no idea. I doubt that his psychiatrist has anything more then some idle guesses. The dude is a very extreme case and stands out as one of the most extreme body modifiers I've ever personally met. Which is saying something. I personally don't like being deprived of senses - but when you blindfold someone - touch gets more emphatic. When you do things like gag them and put ear plugs in or headphones playing white noise or something - the focus on touch gets even more intense. Some people like it, some people don't. It doesn't do a huge amount for me - but with someone who gets more focused on what's going on in the scene or who gets more focused on the sensations that I'm causing - their reactions get much more dramatic and that's a lot of fun for me. Sometimes yes. Sometimes just testicles. It depends on what personal need the guy is trying to fill. It's not something I've ever personally been involved with on either side - beyond having guys approach us about it. Curiosity has extended to reading a bit. But it's outside of my interests as to why someone would really want the whole package gone. With the whole package gone - there's more surgical skill required and a lot more potential complications. The average farmer can emasculate a bull and on a practical application level - it's not fucking rocket science. It's just icky and requires a base level of knowledge and the appropriate tools. Realistically, anybody with a basic knowledge of anatomy and some moderate level skills could probably do it. The average paramedic could probably do a vasectomy if they felt like it. It's a theoretically simple procedure. It's the whole after the fact, not getting arrested for it and dealing with any potential infections and what not - and the whole ethics of the situation and it's irreversibility that makes most people reluctant to be in any way involved. No matter how much the recipient wants it. A whole package removal is a bigger deal. Can be done - but if you've got the skills to it safely and hygienically and is probably most often done in relation to cancer patients - outside of being 100% medically necessary, or part of a gender reassignment procedure - you're probably risking your surgeons license to actually do it. The few rare exceptions - people who know enough to do it but aren't surgeons usually just have more common sense then to be involved with that. But there are guys out there who've had it done by a backyard practitioner. There was a run up to where I am today, sure. When I was 15, putting my dick into any part of any female human seemed like a fucking sexy time. I'm a bit more refined in what I consider a fun sexual encounter now. But it's not like 10 years ago I was into spanking, 5 years ago I was into flogging, now I want to punch someone into a coma and sodomize them so I can get the thrill. I figured out where my fetishes are and what shit works for me years ago - now, while I still change shit up fairly regularly - it's not a ramping up the intensity of the perversion thing - it's more equivalent with experimenting with new positions to keep shit interesting.
Sorry, that was really vague. Scootah got it pretty well already. I was asking what would be important to remember if you were trying to deal with unconventional sexual interests (better?) within yourself or within your sexual relationships.
I can probably take this one better then Scootah- he does not bottom, so sensory dep is not something he deals with on a personal level. I don't trust people enough to bottom to anyone by Scootah. I used to act as demo bunny for a friend of mine- a very experienced rope expert and rigger. I mention this only to stress how I feel bondage games are risky- there is the danger of too much going wrong. Full on sensory deprivation- that is, being bound immovable, unable to see, hear or speak- is an intense experience. It ramps up your self awareness, and the sense of touch. So being bound and left alone is a personal thing- I imagine it is what people who meditate feel (guessing only- can't sit still long enough to meditate myself). It's incredibly relaxing and feels better then the best sleep you have ever had. If bound and played with- things are all much more intense. This means that even light play might seem more painful- but pleasurable things way more pleasurable too. He's about 1/3rd of the way through the procedure. Scootah and I hold very differing opinions of this man. Scootah thinks he has to be fuct in the head, I think he is surprisingly grounded, knowledgeable and altogether logical. He has never expressed to me a desire to have a vagina, though- so I do not have the benefit of that particular conversation. Rather, he ha always struck me as someone who has a fascination for his own body, and how far he can push it. His body mods, and his style of play all express not a hared for his bits, but rather, the desire to alter them and make them unique and more interesting. He is one of the few people I know into extreme modification and regularly desires extreme genital play that I see as actually really quite safe and sane as a player. Yep, there is a sort of desensitization process wherein things that used to work become sort of ordinary and boring. But contrary to popular belief, we do have sex without all the bells and whistles. There does not need to be a selection of weapons, insertables and a midget to get us off. And there is always something new that we have not experienced.
I agree 100% with Scootah. If you are slicing your dick down the middle lengthwise, you are fucked in the head. What do you do when you have sex, a quick duct tape job and its good to go?
I am up for just about anything legal, and I try not to be too judgmental of others, but holy mother of God…who would even come up with the thought of wanting to cut their junk down the middle? How does he pee? How does he handle Dr. appointments? Come to think of it, this is like Schrodinger’s cat. I’m better off just not knowing.