I do not assume that self-identified kinksters can't differentiate between sexual roleplaying and disciplinary actions during the course of their workday. In fact, as a kinky person, I assume the opposite. Sorry if that was unclear. I have little to no faith in the ability of school administrators--who, in my experience, have been incredibly invested in their role as the ultimate authority over hundreds of smaller beings--to ignore the power trip that comes from being a dominant punishing force. Even if spanking isn't involved. I'm sure I'm not the only person on this board who knows of teachers and school administrators who love having power over hapless students. I'll bet a lot of them don't identify as kinky, either--they just know that it makes them happy to bring down the hammer on kids for infractions. So, even if the power trip isn't sexual (it's possible that it is just an ego boost of some sort), a child's body should never be the source of any pleasurable feelings for an adult during/after discipline. And let's be real: This happened in Texas. It was an older man spanking a younger girl. The likelihood that he didn't get any sort of thrill out of it is slimmer than the models on Thinspo Tumblrs.
What part about opt-in, choose, select, volunteer or pick can't you seem to understand? The kids are given free will over their punishment. The entire point of this thread is the exact opposite of forced!!! Read the focus. Do you remember sitting an hour in a room with nothing to do as a kid? To stretch that out, the second worse punishment in prison is solitary confinement. I remember at this one school I went to in 5th and 6th grade. If your shirt wasn't 100% white (not pearl white, eggshell white, or off-white), had a logo on it or if you stepped on the grass, if you were a minute late, detention, detention, detention. No book, no cell phone, you couldn't even do your homework. You were put in a room by yourself with an admin that just sat there who they could read, but you couldn't. No talking, no getting up and moving. You had to just sit at that desk. And yes because, both of has had to point out the fact we didn't turn into sexual deviants, because the previous thread about spanking concluded anyone that got spanked became a criminal, hated their parents, or ended up liking spanking so it was necessary to toss that shit out the window. This is still silly though. You're basically saying a majority of the population of men get off on spanking. I'd love to see the study you conducted to come up with this knowledge. But the actual rules state that a woman is supposed to do it. If a straight women administered the spanking to the girl, what would you say to that? That said woman gets off on it also? Also, make sure to not Spoiler
You know, I've made several posts in this thread. Posts about the sexualized nature of spanking, the dangers of power tripping adults deriving pleasure from disciplining children, and the inherent grossness of potentially letting your child's body become a source of pleasure for adults. I think I understand the focus very, very well. But, just to make sure, I read the original link provided by DCC001. I'll bet you didn't. Want to know why I feel confident making that bet? Because in the fucking article, it states VERY CLEARLY that children do not opt-in to this method of discipline. Children do not choose this method of discipline. Children do not select, volunteer, or pick this method--their parents do. So...no. These children are forced to undergo a sexualized form of discipline at school. They do not have a choice. Nice try, though. Yes, I remember timeout. And detention, and Saturday school, and getting spanked. I have absolutely no fuzzy memories whatsoever about the discipline I received as a child. I'm sorry you had such a tough time in timeout, but the fact that it was difficult for you to endure isn't enough evidence to convince me that it is torturous for the majority of the population. Actually, it convinces me even further that timeouts and detention are super effective means of behavior control. Hmmm. Yeah, just in case I was misremembering the previous thread, I went back and read it. After a solid half hour of perusal, I can confidently claim that no one concluded that everyone who got spanked became a criminal, hated their parents, or ended up liking sexual spanking. But thanks for the information about your sexual preferences. We're all waiting on the edge of our seats for more details about your sex life. *sigh* This is tedious work, but someone has to do it. Where, Parker, did I say that a majority of the male population gets off on spanking? I know it's hard to read things in good faith and to refrain from manufacturing hyperbolized points in order to contribute to a discussion on the Internet, but the rest of us manage. Try to keep up with the grownups. I would actually like to see a study on the personality traits of school officials compared to the general population. It's almost a universally-accepted opinion that some people get into education for the power trip, but you're right--I haven't conducted a study on that or reviewed any data that would prove me correct. But here, again, is my main problem with your rebuttal: You're so focused on advocating for spanking, loudly proclaiming the validity and awesomeness of spanking, decrying any deleterious effects of spanking, that you've...missed the focus. The actual rules do not state that a woman has to do it. Read the link, for fucks' sake. The uproar was due to a male administrator who spanked a female student, violating the current set of rules and prompting a change to the rules that now allow for opposite gendered administrators to administer the paddling. Spanking in school is definitely influenced by context (much like the focus of this thread is influenced by the context provided in DCC's link). If the context involves a hierarchal system of domineering, power tripping adults and the potential for sexualizing children, spanking as a pure form of discipline cannot be safely administered in school. Period.
In Parker's defense, the students did opt in. The article DCC linked doesn't go into detail, but the girl originally received a 2-day in school suspension. SHE wanted the paddling instead. The students have the option to pick it instead. Before the administrator can do it, the rules stated they have to call the parent for approval. The mom gave it, thinking it would be a female doing it since that was the rule at the time. The school board has since changed it and opposite gender can administer it, but an administrator of the same sex must be present in the room also. Here's a link to an article I found stating student opted in: <a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2012/09/tx-school-changes-paddling-policy-after-outcry.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2 ... utcry.html</a> Edit for link.
I'm seeing the part about Taylor Santos choosing to undergo spanking in lieu of a second day of ISS in this new link. Thanks for including it--I was operating off of information in the original link/my old HS's paddling policy. I personally wouldn't consider it a freely made "choice" if my mother had to sign off on it in order for it to happen, or if I were suffering negative academic consequences from ISS (like others in this thread have mentioned) and felt like I had to endure paddling in order to pass my classes, but I can certainly see how it can be perceived that way.
Parent's have to sign-off on sports the kids want to play, sign off on getting a drivers permit, and in some states sign-off on tattoo's if the kids want it. No idea how that doesn't make it a choice. I read the article I watched the video that had the voice over that stated it was a choice. I didn't need an updated link. I actually then went and looked up the laws because I thought it was fascinating. Glad to know that you did not do the same or go beyond the posted article. Because we all know one posted article is the end all, be all of everything. Man, thanks for putting me in my place. Woo, I almost thought you contradicted yourself there. I have now been put in my place. But thank you, thank you, thank you for letting me know about Thinspo Tumblrs. Now I'd like to give those girls a spanking! I mean, no I wouldn't, I don't get off on that stuff...uh...oh...shit. Back to the focus though. If I had kids, and one of them called me up like "I got in trouble. I can do detention, write a 10 page book report, or a spanking." I'd say "You need to read more, I suggest the book report." "Nah, I want to do the spanking. I need you to sign off on it." "Um, you sure?" "Yes." "You sure?" "Yes." "It's going to hurt." "I rather get spanked." I'd sign off on it. Now I'd be more concerned with my child getting off on the spanking, than the random teacher administering the spanking. Don't want that freak flag flying too early.
When I was a little kid, they still allowed teachers carte blanche to do what they willphysically, and when I was in grade ONE my ancient, miserable vice principal cracked me across both my hands with a wooden ruler. He fucking SLAMMED it on the tops of my knuckles, and I still feel it when it rains. I couldn't close them for a week, and remember walking out of his office and he shouted "NO CRYING!!!!!" Miserable, abusive, child-hating bastard. I'm glad he's dead.
As a general rule I assume that whatever Texas is doing with respect to education is the wrong thing to do.
The one spanking I got in junior high was a joke. My dad had to give them permission, and I honestly I barely even felt it. (It could be due to the fact that I have a big ass, but I digress.) It seemed to me that it was more of a social shame thing, because everyone I knew was talking about me getting spanked before I even had the chance to tell them. Getting home my dad told me that he gave them permission to administer corporal punishment because I was gonna catch an ass whooping either way. And he figured if the school did it he would refrain. Judging from the look in his eye as he said this, I am very glad that I took one limp wristed swat on the ass from a flimsy wooden paddle. Yep me personally, I was totally o.k. with it.
I'm pretty sure the shaming and other kids are going to do more damage than the paddle. I think people forget on his board how big of assholes teenagers are. I think just the symbolism of being spanked by a teacher is bad. "Man that party was a ton of fun." "Almost as fun as getting spanked by Mr. Schmidt huh?" "Sorry to tell you, but I don't think your girl is that pretty." "Whoa sorry! I know your standards were raised after that spanking you got from Mrs. Sommers." Those examples should be funnier but I'm tired so...use your goddamn imagination.
Basically, what I'm taking away from this is that Texas (and by extension the rest of us) are kind of fucked in the head.