Trump would of easily won 2020 if he had just said masks are patriotic everyone should wear one. Here are some MAGA masks.
If that had happened, I could probably also quickly link to an article from April 2020 titled "Trump Says Everyone Should Wear Masks. Here's Why He's Totally Wrong."
Yes but he’s incapable of thinking that way. He sees mask-wearing as an admission that the virus is real and that it would somehow be his fault for existing. He remembers blaming Obama and Biden for bullshit related to Ebola. So he projects that failure even though it’s unfounded. He also sees it as weak and doesn’t ever want to appear weak in front of anyone.
Please make this shit stick. https://twitter.com/search?q="Trump Organization"&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
SCOTUS has taken up Mississippi 15 week abortion ban, and Texas just passed a 6 week abortion ban. Republicans think they've packed the court sufficiently to overturn Roe and Casey.
I’ve never seen a country care so much about something that they actually don’t give a shit about. Pro-lifers are the ultimate hypocritical moral scolds.
It’s one of those topics that pisses me off because I know they don’t actually care about abortion or a “pro life” cause. It’s about controlling brown women and policing sexual behavior. It’s also a base play that is wildly unpopular with women in general. It’s one of those things republicans inexplicably give a shit about that prevents a lot of reasonable people from even entertaining conservative ideas. They can’t drop the abortion stuff and gay/trans hate long enough to be seen as remotely reasonable.
This is one of the most wildly sweeping mischaracterizations that I've seen posted on this board. There are members of TiB that are pro life, and none of those things describe them. And, I wouldn't say that 41% is a number that indicates "wildly unpopular with women in general." https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx
What xrayvision is saying, in practice, is true (although it likely doesn't characterize anyone here who might be pro-life). When abortion is made illegal virtually the only people punished for it are poor women of colour. Wealthy women can afford to travel where it is safe and legal, and poor women must resort to back-channel prescriptions and, even worse, false accusations from the state that they sought an abortion when in fact they miscarried. The days of getting an abortion by a flunkie MD in a back alley with a coat hanger are gone; now, drugs are administered which is both a blessing and a curse. Studies conducted in countries that have an outright, no-excuses abortion ban are estimated to have a slightly higher abortion rate than average amongst nations where it's allowed. What happens, though, is that if a woman presents with heavy bleeding and she's poor and maybe illiterate is that she cannot prove it wasn't an intentional pregnancy loss. That woman is likely to be reported to the police and questioned, if not outright charged. Making abortion illegal has the same effect as making alcohol or drugs or murder illegal; it doesn't move the needle on the abortions performed, but it creates a convenient class of criminals out of the vulnerable.
And if racism entered into it, wouldn’t they encourage abortion? Having watched this debate for decades, it’s my opinion that this is primarily about religion or what they see as their values. I agree with @Crown Royal , conservatives are wildly hypocritical. They’re not pro-life, they’re pro-birth. But I disagree with @xrayvisions take on the motivation.
I probably spoke imprecisely about who my post was targeting. It was directed at the politicians who come up with the legislation to control women’s bodies. Our governor’s new law bans abortion after 6 weeks. Most women don’t even know they are pregnant at that point. That whole “my body my choice” bullshit when it applied to not wearing fucking masks was okay with them. But not when it comes to women making a private medical decision that affects them deeply. In addition, their allergy to welfare and helping people including children doesn’t quite comport with the whole pro life thing.
Most women don't know they are pregnant for a couple months at the earliest. About a third of pregnancies are lost via miscarriage. A lot of abortions performed late term are for medical reasons. Most women with access to healthcare that decide they do not want to carry a pregnancy to term are taking care of that sooner rather than later. There is no benefit to waiting. Pregnancy is hard, and taking care of a child (even with a support system. Without? Fucking kill me) is even harder. And expensive. I would literally die for my child, but having been through all that, am more pro choice than ever. It's fucking heart breaking to love and to want your baby and then find out 2nd or even 3rd trimester that it is dead, or is terribly disabled from some genetic disorder that was not detected, or is seriously threatening your life and not mature enough to survive away from your womb. These are private health decisions that should be made privately with the help of their healthcare provider and not banned outright because of some other person's idea of morality. Pregnant women need support and understanding, not to be preached at. To be honest, the idea of a late term abortion sickens me. It is hard to think about and deeply saddening to me. You know what sickens me worse though? Neglected children fending for themselves. Children shuffled from foster home to foster home, never having a permanent home or family who cares for them, til they age out of the system. Children sexually abused and exploited. Children scared of their parents and physically hurt for reasons they don't understand and cannot cope with. There are so many living, breathing children in my country alone who suffer these things. There is a lot of Bad Shit in the world, but making these kinds of health decisions for someone else based on your personal religious ideas doesn't make the world a better place, it just makes you feel better about your potential salvation.
I’m pro-life when it comes to late-term abortions and I’m not religious whatsoever. Frankly, the practice is barbaric. If there is a outlying medical reason for doing so, such as a threat to the mother’s life or a significantly/mentally disabled baby, then that’s a gut-wrenching but reasonable decision to make. Otherwise, it’s just horrific, particularly when a baby can live outside the womb without being admitted to the NICU in most cases at 35 weeks and in some cases at 34 weeks. It’s not just an obscure clump of cells at that point. That being said, we live in an imperfect system and I’d rather see funding and legislation going toward improving access to birth control and the emergency contraception, earlier pregnancy detection and other medical R&D that reduces the overall need for abortions in the first place. That’s the only realistic way to reduce it in my opinion, rather than banning it outright.
It will be hysterical if the SC actually supports the TX & MS laws. It's been one of the key issues for voters going back 40+ years. It remains unsettled for a reason. If somehow RvW is reversed, there would be a giant hole in the electorate that no longer shows up for this issue, and the next wedge issue up is guns as a distant second. If the economy doesn't completely tank, between that and the Republicans literally destroying their bases' faith in their own elections, they are shooting themselves in both feet. FWIW, I highly doubt that will happen, there's a ton of legal precedent based on RvW, and from what I understand the issue being debated is essentially "can Texas render them de-facto illegal with a bunch of bullshit regulations designed to make them inoperable?", not "are we sure abortions shouldn't be illegal?" Gallup polling 1028 people is the statistical equivalent of shouting "Who farted?" in a Wal-Mart parking lot and counting every head turned or hand raised as Republican. Just saying. I think this boils down to where you fall on this issue: Do you believe most forms of sex should be recreational? For me, that's as big a generational, spiritual, ethical and moral division as I'm going to see. If you say yes, then over the next few years all of the homophobia, transphobia, sexism, gender roles, etc. suddenly becomes wildly irrelevant. Our bodies are amusement parks, not temples, go nuts...no one gives a shit. If you say no, #1, you're fighting a losing battle and #2, you're going to fight to preserve a "family structure" that is based in religion, and can't weather the legal storms over the next 20-30 years without some form of re-interpretation. Also, if you say no, it's likely a control issue (agan, probably based in religion), and that's not something our country is going to do well with at a national level. You can legislate a community to be Amish, that's doable. You can't legislate 330 million of us to agree on a Goddamned thing, especially telling half of us what we can or can't do with uteruses. That being said this is a weird time to posit that I am pro dead baby. And the real position is I am not a medical professional, nor a female, so my opinion is fucking irrelevant....wish our representatives saw it that way.
@Juice I guess my thought on the late term abortion thing is... What does the process realistically look like to prove you need one for a legitimate reason? Because health stuff is confidential. The across the board bans are pretty barbaric, too.
The late term abortion thing is an extreme way to argue about the huge grey area that is normal abortion practice. Because there are so many differing reasons someone may opt to terminate a pregnancy, it’s impossible to fairly legislate. It’s also not very common that a woman will wake up 8 months into a pregnancy and decide she doesn’t want it anymore. That doesn’t stop politicians from literally creating rules to inflict as much stress and anguish on the woman during an already emotional and stressful time. Things like forced funerals for fetal remains. Forced transvag ultrasounds to make them hear the heartbeat. Waiting periods. The new Texas law is called the heartbeat law or something. The heart beating is literally one of the first things that happens when a fetus is formed. I used to measure fetal heart rates on embryos the size of a walnut, 3-4 weeks into pregnancy.
It once was my job to deal with the neglected, abandoned, and abused children of people who had no business procreating. I am in favor of ANY measure that prevents the unfit from having children they do not care for. Personally I'm not a big fan of abortion outside of health, rape or incest reasons; but until we make birth control and Plan B as available as tic tacs and engage in REAL sex ed in our schools, it'll have to do.